Amanda Suddaby and Elizabeth Williams outside Lincolnshire County Council, 14 May 2018. Photo: DrillOrDrop
Disappointed opponents of oil exploration at two sites in Lincolnshire granted planning consent this morning have complained that councillors did not listen to their objections.
The county council’s planning committee voted unanimously to approve proposals by Egdon Resources for the sites at North Kelsey and Biscathorpe. DrillOrDrop live updates
Egdon Resources welcomed the decisions and predicted that Biscathorpe could be drilled in a matter of weeks and North Kelsey by the end of the year.
But Amanda Suddaby and Elizabeth Williams (pictured above), who made statements to the committee, said their concerns had been misrepresented.
Egdon was seeking to extend permissions for drilling and testing at both sites for three years. Under previous consents, the only work carried out by the company had been construction of the site entrances.
Councillors voting unanimously to approve the North Kelsey application
Mrs Suddaby told the committee Egdon had already breached planning conditions on the North Kelsey site. She said soil had been removed without an archaeological survey. Delivery lorries had come to the site from the wrong direction, over a railway level crossing, against a traffic condition.
Paul Foster, representing Egdon, said the company was not aware of vehicles coming into the site from the wrong direction.
“That wasn’t us”, he said.
But after the hearing, Mrs Suddaby said:
“I was there and I saw it. No one in that room was there and yet they still contradicted me.
“We are constantly being told that breaches will not be allowed. But they have already breached three conditions. No one has noticed. This is hard to comprehend.
“Our voice is not being heard”.
During the meeting, an objector in the public gallery shouted that her village had not been formerly consulted on the Biscathorpe application. The council’s planning officer, Neil McBride, said the parish council and villagers could have contributed comments.
Mrs Williams told the committee there would be thousands of distressed people if the Biscathorpe application were approved.
The committee’s vice chair, Cllr Thomas Ashton, said he doubted there would be a thousand people in a five-mile radius of the site. The councillor for the neighbouring ward, Lewis Strange, however, said there were 700 in one village alone.
Mrs Williams also raised concerns about emissions from the proposed flare at the Biscathorpe site.
The mining waste permit, issued by the Environment Agency last year, allowed for the burning of waste gas up to 10 tonnes a day. It set arrangements for monitoring emissions from the flare including total volatile organic compounds, nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide and hydrogen sulphide concentrations.
Mrs Williams had asked councillors:
“How can this not affect human health and the local environment?”
But the planning officer, Neil McBride, told councillors that flaring would be used only in emergencies. He said waste gas would be used to generate electricity.
Mrs Suddaby said opponents would continue their campaign against the two sites.
“If there is a way, we will try. We have to try.”
“Progressing drilling plans”
Diagram of the North Kesley site. Source: Egdon Resources
Egdon Resources welcomed today’s decisions.
Managing Director, Mark Abbott, said:
“We are pleased with today’s decisions to extend the planning permissions as it enables us to progress our drilling plans at both the North Kelsey and Biscathorpe conventional oil prospects.
“For Biscathorpe-2, following recent farm-outs on this well, we now look forward to drilling this high potential conventional oil prospect with operations commencing around mid-2018.
“We hope to conclude further farm-out negotiations for North Kelsey-1 shortly enabling drilling to be targeted around the end of 2018 providing a further material near-term catalyst for Egdon.”
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DRILL OR DROP? 
Cry me a river.
Pollute me a planet.
Hi Ruth, thanks for this report, it makes interesting reading, apologies for cutting a pasting as usual.
Paul Foster, representing Egdon, said the company was not aware of vehicles coming into the site from the wrong direction.
“That wasn’t us”, he said..
So that is the game is it? There are breaches, but its not “us”? Then who is responsible for vehicle movements then? Egdon wash their hands, the police ignore, the council dont know or dont care? Who is “us”? Who does know? Who does care? Who is responsible?
There must have been a lot of porkie pies consumed at lunch time that day?
“But after the hearing, Mrs Suddaby said:
“I was there and I saw it. No one in that room was there and yet they still contradicted me.”
“We are constantly being told that breaches will not be allowed. But they have already breached three conditions. No one has noticed. This is hard to comprehend.”
“Our voice is not being heard”.
There is something curious here too:
“The committee’s vice chair, Cllr Thomas Ashton, said he doubted there would be a thousand people in a five-mile radius of the site. The councillor for the neighbouring ward, Lewis Strange, however, said there were 700 in one village alone.”
Are we being told that if only 700 people, or 7,000 or 7 million people, or 7 billion people are harmed, then it doesn’t matter? Just how many do matter? Did the councillor inform those villages and towns that their health and wellfare doesn’t matter because there are not enough of them to matter? Matter to whom? Relative to what? Relative to whom? measured by what? Measured by whom?
“The committee’s vice chair, Cllr Thomas Ashton, said he doubted there would be a thousand people in a five-mile radius of the site. The councillor for the neighbouring ward, Lewis Strange, however, said there were 700 in one village alone.”
Clearly such “insignificant” people dont matter to the council committee? Do they live within a five mile radius of the site? What is the betting they are not?
“Mrs Williams had asked councillors:
“How can this not affect human health and the local environment?”
But the planning officer, Neil McBride, told councillors that flaring would be used only in emergencies. He said waste gas would be used to generate electricity.”
Generated how? Untreated gas straight from the ground has a whole list of impurities that have to be treated and removed in a gas processing plant before it can be made safe enough to use? So Egdon are going to use untreated gas to run generators? what about the emissions? Will they be monitored and measured? By whom? When? By what standards? Clearly they are not natural gas standards because it is untreated raw natural gas full of all the contaminants and additives and chemicals?
Has anyone actually asked any of these questions?
I think they had better think it out again?
Phil C
Any evidence about those pork pie lorries ( a picture is good ). Lots of objections locally here re large lorries, but turns out they were going to farms and, or got lost ( after following a few ).
Councills are informed, esp to note the parish council. To be a member of that you need to live in the village. That should answer that bit about not being local. What hapenned there. Who knows, I must check the parish council minutes. Normally a county councillor will attend parish council meetings. Do they, did they? Let’s not bother to find out eh.
Using gas in a gas turbine to generate power at a well Site is not unusual. See offshore platforms, and onshore ( plus Angus in the Weald which is closer to you I expect.
There will be separator to knock out the liquids, and then a turbine which is ok to burn it. For emissions, and how monitored etc see the resultant EA permit et al.
Burning gas in a gas turbine! Not new for Lincolnshire, nor the Weald I guess.
Ahh, the damage limitation team arrives? That in itself is interesting n’est-ce pas?
Perhaps it was a metaphor hewes, you do understand metaphor don’t you?
“A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in “a sea of troubles” or “All the world’s a stage” ( Shakespeare).”
Do you require evidence? A picture of a metaphor is a rather bizarre thought? Though I think that the art of René Magritte might assist you quite well there?
A porkie pie lorry is probably a contradiction in terms, since a porkie pie taken in its colloquial terminology would be a lie, and to produce a picture of a lie, perhaps your own industry would be best placed to seek such an example amongst so very very many?
Perhaps these may assist?
[Image removed over possible copyright issues]
This is not a gas supply pipe?
Or
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This is not a dragon behind me.
As regards a lorry?
Strictly speaking it is “lurry”.
“Origin of lorry
1830-1840
First recorded in 1830-40; akin to dial. lurry to pull, drag, lug”
Oh, sorry, for GBH, that would be “truck”?
“1605-15; back formation from truckle wheel. See truckle” which is even more obtuse?
“verb (used without object), truckled, truckling.
.
to submit or yield obsequiously or tamely (usually followed by to):
Don’t truckle to unreasonable demands.”
Yes, i think truckle fits the bill quite well doesn’t it?
Where were we? Oh yes, lost truckles? Well i am sure what we are actually referring to is Heavy Goods Vehicles and Longer Heavier Vehicles?
“Lots of objections locally here re large lorries, but turns out they were going to farms and, or got lost ( after following a few ).”
This is an interesting because i can turn that around to you? (to coin a phrase?) Any evidence about those lost pork pie lorries hewes? ( a picture is good )
“Normally a county councillor will attend parish council meetings. Do they, did they? Let’s not bother to find out eh.”
Really? Why not? Do find out do.
“Using gas in a gas turbine to generate power at a well Site is not unusual. See offshore platforms, and onshore ( plus Angus in the Weald which is closer to you I expect”
Really? Not what i said hewes, i asked about burning untreated gas in an inhabited area without conforming to gas combustion regulations and gas emission regulations for burning natural gas..
“There will be separator to knock out the liquids, and then a turbine which is ok to burn it. For emissions, and how monitored etc see the resultant EA permit et al. ”
Again, not what i said, “OK to burn it” on whose terms? The residents? No, i dont think so? How is untreated gas acceptable to be burned anywhere near a habitation? That is nothing different to flaring is it? And we were told at one stage i recall, that gas flaring was illegal and would never be allowed in UK, and yet here we are? not only gas flaring, but burning untreated natural gas, which is the same thing?
I dont particularly care whether the EA rubber stamp it or not hewes, they are not a reliable source of protection for people and they have no environmental protection remit, that is not what they are for, its what we think they are for, but its not what they do.
This was fun!
Damage limited yet?
PS hewes, you didnt state exactly how many residents are insignificant enough to have untreated gas flared off and burned for electical generation?
Is that in the tens, the hundreds or the thousands before these people suddenly become significant?
One person is significant hewes, 7 people, or 700 people, or 7,000 people, or 7 million people, or 7 billion people is also significant don’t you agree?
Perhaps you would like to have a picture of them too?
Or would that be another example of “Let’s not bother to find out eh?”
Phil C
We can agree that I did not touch on the number of people affected, 1 or thousands. That is a subject worth a comment but first let’s sort out what emissions are likely ( constituents and volume ) and then work out who is affected. Maybe it’s me!
But time flies, lots of unpacking to do as we have moved from Notts to Lincs. Ahhh, downwind of two big coal fired power stations and one gas fired power station ( or two if the wind is from the north ), and home of small oil and gas and factory chicken farming. Big agriculture and lots of chemical plants along the Humber Estuary.
So goodbye Bassetlaw ( they would vote for a sheep if it had a labour sticker on it was the old jibe, but Mansfield disproved that as did Marsh Lane in Derbyshire ( Conservative without Lancashire postal vote shenanigans maybe …. sorry if that’s a cross post )).
Phil C
Burning gas, not to the gas grid spec is not unusual.
You can do this by flaring ( a la in the Weald, or any terminal ), or generate a bit of power ( ditto but offshore and onshore ).
It is regulated, and will conform to the appropriate regs ( see EA Permit ). So, unregulated…no.
It’s not to the gas grid spec, as that turns up in your gas stove, in the house!
See Peterhead Power Station for burning gas not to grid spec ( and likely Third Energy as well).
What chemicals and additives will be in it ( other that what comes out of the ground )? Any thoughts on that ( it will have heavier ends in it is a starter for 10, and be wetter, but no stenching agent).
Is Peterhead uninhabited ?
Are offshore platforms uninhabited ( is Bacton uninhabited, Theddlethorpe, Easington etc etc )
Re residents terms, see above.
Oh yes? Boo!
Wah, wah, wah!
I think your cockatoo need’s it’s cage cleaning hewes? Does it speak for you now?
I am beginning to see that the only way to get a straight answer out of the damage limitation team, is an FOI request wrapped around a gold brick strapped to the business end(s) of Stormy Daniels? And even then like DT it will be deny deny deny deny?
Let’s try and put this yet again in plain unambiguous English shall we? (if such a thing is possible for the anti antis damage limitation team ?)
It is not the number of people that are considered to be insignificant to bother to take into account when gas flaring is sanctioned by the EA, government, the operators or the anti antis?
It is that anyone at all, is considered sufficiently insignificant not to bother to be taken into account over the risks of unprocessed, untreated contaminated gas flares and burning unprocessed contaminated gas are to take place in their vicinity?
I don’t care if it is standard practice elsewhere or wherever people have had such practices dumped on them, that is irrelevant, untreated gas flaring and burning for generation is not acceptable in a residential area. Full stop. End of story.
Is that unambiguous enough for you? No? Still room enough for avoidance and damage limitation manoeuvering?
It’s not that gas is burned it’s what additives, contaminants are also burned and how and where such toxins are flared off or collected stored and disposed of, by whom and where and at what environmental cost?
Its not whether the EA have a piece of paper and a rubber stamp that says it is OK to flare off untreated gas and burn untreated gas in gas powered generators, its that the local people have not approved either the presence of the operator, the three year extension of expired licences, and the action of unprocessed gas flaring and unprocessed gas burning in generators?
It’s not that two sites have failed to complete the licence conditions, it’s that Lincolnshire County Council just roll over and play dead without the public being consulted and extend the permission for three years.
Its not that Lincolnshire County Councils planning officer, Neil McBride, said that the gas flares would only be used in emergencies, it was that people had not been informed or consulted on the fact that gas flaring of untreated gas and use of untreated gas in generators is now allowed?
Its not that The committee’s vice chair, Cllr Thomas Ashton, said he doubted there would be a thousand people in a five-mile radius of the site? it was the fact that anyone, anyone at all, within that radius was considered to be insignificant enough not to have been taken into account regarding the risks to their health?
What that is, is gross overbearing rough shod contempt for the local people by Lincolnshire County Council the operators and the EA.
All the best with your new house but next time perhaps leave your cockatoo in a darkened cage and keep it quiet? Or better still teach it to talk?
EKT wants a fracker?
Phil C
I disagree with you in a few areas still ….
Residential area.
Biscathorpe is not a residential area.
We holiday out there quite often. Nearest village of size is Donnington on Bain. Have a look on the map. I will continue to do so, oil well or no. Shirebrook is a residential area, Louth, Grimsby, but not open countryside.
Consultation
People have had an opportunity to comment.
What the protestors say is that their objections have not been listened to. However the parish councils have been informed. So local people ( parish councillors ) have had opportunities to comment at the meetings I guess.
They will know ( or people I know who live there know ) that it’s an oil well, and expects some associated gas.
To deal with that gas you can
1. Vent it ( not allowed onshore but going on offshore ).
2. Flare it ( burn it a la UKOG et al )
3. Use it to provide power and reduce the amount of fuel oil required on the site ( ie burn it but get energy ).
4. Build a process plant to process the gas and then burn it to generate energy
It see that option 3 is the one chosen. It’s an oil well, and the amount of gas is not well known other than … not much.
A fair number of locals ( ex and active offshore workers, farmers ) know this. They think it’s a good plan.
If a number of people feel they were not informed then then the councils need to see what they can do.
However, if protestors are dead set against any oil exploration and production local to them, then no amount of consultation or information will change their minds I guess.
There is no case that all,people have not been informed. It looks as if ( as above ) some feel they have not been. So not all …. some.
Local,people have not approved the presence of the oil companies
Some locals would beg to differ. So, maybe it’s some locals do not want it, and some do not mind and some do.
Best left for them to sort out. In the meantime, someone somewhere produces the stuff and the locals ( against through to for ) use it.
Number of people affected by emissions
The EA are happy and so am I. Protestors may not be, but then you may get more exposure in the villages from coal, wood, fuel oil and LNG being burned. Some more wind turbines on the Wolds would help.
Gas burned ( not processed )
It’s not contaminated with chemicals and additives, it’s what comes out of the well, post separation.
It is not to grid spec, but that gas ends up being burned in your kitchen.
So I disagree with your take on it being full of chemicals and additives. I also disagree that burning gas not processed to grid spec is a terrible thing.
Any information on and additives that are burned, outwith what comes up the well is welcome.
Not Regulated
It is. If you do not consider the regs to be suitable and sufficient then you could say so rather than there are none.
EA Rubber Stamp
I disagree with your opinion that the EA has rubber stamped the application.
The application took a while to pass through the EA process ( see past DOD). This may mean it was well scrutinised and a fair amount of additional information requested. I believe that is some evidence of some thought being applied rather than they lost the stamp and it took them 22 months to find it.
County Council plays dead and rolls over
I disagree, but people can vote them out.
The application process took a long time, so it seems reasonable to me.
People within a five mile radius
I agree that the amount of people there is not a suitable discussion point when discussing what the emissions are.
However, Mrs Williams said that ‘thousands would be distressed by the Biscathorpe. There is no information in the report as to what this means. Ie will thousands be distressed by it being there. She did not say that they will be affected by emissions from the site.
Councillor Ashton said that he doubted there were a thousands in a five mile radius. Looking at a map, this could be a fair point. It is a lighty poulated area, even though one councillor notes there is a village with 700 people in it.
However, no one is talking about people being affected by emissions ( a discussion around emission content, amount and dispersion would have been good there ).
So I disagree with your linking a comment about thousands being distressed to being affected by emissions, and or health risks.
I do think that thousands could be distressed, but they may well live across the length and breadth of the UK. Indeed I guess that all members of RTP will be distressed should it go ahead, as indeed a Phil, you seem to be and you live nowhere near it.
No gross-overbearing, roughshod etc etc, in my opinion.
Later Mrs Williams asks about flaring. At that point an opportunity is missed ( by all,present ) to develop the emissions issue. ( what will they be, what is an emergency and so on ).
Opinions
Phil, whatever is your opinion is fine. We all have them.
Cockatoo and Damage Limitation
???
Dear oh dear! Another damage limitation excercise? Repeat repeat repeat?
I think I preferred the cockatoo?
Clearly Stormy Daniels attached to the gold brick and an FOI request didn’t float your boat?
Which one was it that required another damage limitation excercise?
Never mind I am sure she will recover from the shock eventually?
As will the FOI request wrapped around a gold brick?
They said, Oh no! Not again? (Thankyou Douglas Adams)
How can you write so much but say nothing and completely avoid any reference to the single most important point?
That’s your opinion.
My statement still stands, you didn’t even come near it let alone address it?
No Stormy, don’t get excited, I said address, not undress? Well if you insist?
Where were we?
Oh yes, saying nothing?
Hewes if you can’t even discuss things not allowed to be mentioned by the damage limitation team?
Then why say anything? It’s just so much empty space isn’t it?
The salient point, since you failed to address (Stormy! Down!) was that since when has ANYONE in ANY WAY become considered so sufficiently insignificant as to not be concerned about for being at risk from this filthy industry?
How’s the parrot by the way? Diseased yet? We can only hope?
Phil C
Thanks. I disagree that the report shows that your salient point exists.
Good they the other stuff is sorted.
Good luck with your parrot and damage creation team.
Phil C
Looking back to the first post. You seem to have conflated the discussion around the number of people who may be distressed with a later request for information on flaring.
You later ask me how many people should be consulted re emissions ( answer, those affected ), but I do not see where this is relevant to the points raised in the report.
If you wonder how they are consulted, the report shows a councillor noting that the parish council was involved.
So, nowhere is there any reference to a number of people to consult in relation to emissions.
So it’s difficult to address your proposed salient point, as it’s not salient to what is in the report.
Maybe they ( the council ) have an algorithm for oil industry emissions. Lincolnshire will certainly have expertise in the matter given the Chemical industry located along the South bank of the Humber Estuary. But I think they will consider who could be affected and how rather than just base it on numbers ( low, no need, high a need etc).
Dear me, you do take an awful lot for granted that is not true, an unfortunate industry failing that?
And you have an awful lot of time on your hands too? Must be nice to be paid by the post or page or whatever? Some of us do this to try and correct the horrors of this industry? I’m not paid for any of my time,in spite of kishes little attacks of Russophobia?
What’s this latest damage limitation strategy then? The last one talking wins? Ad nauseum, ad tedium, ad infinitum. Addendum, Ad enough. Go to sleep.
No. Still Wrong again hewes. Not agreed, nothing agreed, nowhere noway, nohow, no cigar, no hooks, No barbs. No interest with time wasters. (that means you)
What did you do with your Parrott? It probably got fed up with the endless repetition of your posts as well and committed avicide? A deceased…..well you know the rest.
And speaking of the rest, I stand by my original post, and as I said, it was not a question, and no, nothing you have said even remotely addresses anything relevant.
No change there then?
Back to square one, start again, your on your own,
Repeat you’re on you’re own
Repeat, you’re on you’re own.
Phil C
Thanks
Sufficient time to read the report is all that is required.
Good luck with the parrot and the damage creation team.
It is only me here writing the post, it is true.
Likewise for most of us I guess.
Phil C
I tried out the chant at the barbecue (I am alone).
It works, after a short while they told me to shuffle off and be on my own.
Have you any other tried and tested chants that clear room?
It’s not an area of expertise for me, but happy to learn from a master.
Oh this IS the cockatoo typing!
Sorry I didn’t realise? I thought I was talking to hewes?
It’s the ad infinitum Parrott cage conundrum isn’t it?
I said it’s the ad infini……
Oh well never mind?
An infinite number of parrots typing (beaking?) on a infinite number of keyboards must (it is assumed) write the complete works of Shakespeare? Then a fracking damage limitation post can’t be too difficult it seems?
Thus Did Shakespeare’s infinite parrott cage of cockatoos then pen repeatedly on the mantra of The Oft Repeated But Never Bettered:
“Dead Parrot Soliloquy Sketch”
“And forsooth tis’was Frackdeth that thyne own cage’d beast did peck and scratch and frack at that plast keyed borrowed band
That threats the land above below to spoil the precious ground
Of England’s fair and pleasant land
That potty parrott did cravenly shriek aloud unmanned
By hook or claw by crook or by law no protest must be allowed to stand
The greedy parrotts cried i must feast on profits that i lack
Sought mightily after deep dwelling gas exploited nation
That this land i will wrack and i will frack and i will sack
So as to soothe it’s addled greedy breast with cracks and fracks and threats of vio’lence
Did poison earth and foul the air and poison the worlds defense
Twas all that came to nought although
for common peoples sense designs not from sword or bow
Still reason reigns in peoples hearts and minds to show
T’is not fossils fuel energy that we do lack
T’is but the lack of warmth of human kindness that we crack
That some do miss and some whose greed attack
Has deeply drilled
Our treasured woods and fields
That money’s banked in vaults are stacked
Wilt nought bring but cyphers digits hacked
While peoples will for truth and rights of humans attack
Will turn greed’s dark night
From demonocracies black to democracies light
T’s the sun that gives
All lifes and lives
And always has
And always will
PS the subject in hand was and is:
“Reaction to Lincolnshire oil drilling consents: ‘our concerns are not being heard’, say objectors”
If ever you choose to actually address that I shall no doubt be interested to read what you say……well, actually, not.
However I have a confession to make, I stopped reading your posts after the second or third denial that the subject of the post even existed.
I enjoyed these little sojourns into tangential prevarication and absurdity, but I must move on, feel free to chatter away to yourself on this and any other posts.
I will no longer respond except for extrapolation and amusement.
Did that achieve your damage limitation exercise hewes?
Bizarre?
Well it’s a few hours till the morning staff arrive, happy typing.
Phil C
Happy to address the issue at hand in the subject title.
Re the report
That objectors feel their concerns are not being heard is not an unusual heading. It would be as usual as INEOS being disappointed that their application has been turned down. Indeed, if we ever read a heading saying that objectors were happy that an oil well plan had been approved, that indeed would be news.
So on to the text. This shows in my opinion, and that of the council, that the objections were not sufficient reason to turn down the planning application.
Previously I was addressing your flights of fiction around the text of the report, which you may quite understandably not want to read about or address. Happy reading ( your choice ).
Boo!
The other conventional wells in the area have been such a disaster, GBK. (not)
One of my employees used to drive past one on her way to work. She hadn’t noticed it until I pointed it out. It is around 200 metres off the road and less than 5 kilometers from her house.
Far more pollution from the RAF bases in the area, including mobile ‘phones that are disabled when you drive past one base. Close them all down? Wouldn’t make any difference-they have yet to clear up the toxic waste from the Cold War rocket bases.
Martin
True, few were worried by this extraction before. And yes, most do not know it happens until it is pointed out. The nodding donkeys at Buckingham are often missed by those visiting the adjacent Beckingham Marshes Nature Reserve. Shock horror if they ever do a workover now everyone is in a flap about oil wells.
If you have photographic evidence of the naughty lorries and/or the true population of the area concerned is greater than alleged by the oil firm surely this decision is based on lies and should be overturned.
I’m just checking to see the political affiliation of the Councillors who unanimously voted this fossil fuel burning global warming increasing process through!
Peter
Photographic evidence is good.
Re the population. … This will be a fact, but the discussion was that thousands would be distressed, that a councillor doubted that a thousand lived within a 5 mile radius ( or maybe thousands as Mrs Williams is reported as saying thousands ). Another councillor notes that a village within 5 miles has 700 residents, but does not say which one.
Nowhere in that discussion is there a reference to any assumption by Egdon as to how many people live there.
The discussion starts ( in the report ) by Mrs Williams saying thousands will be distressed. There is no information on what distressed means ( unhappy?), or where they live.
So, jumping to Egdon lying about the number living locally does not seem warranted.
It is a lightly poulated area, and poulation information is in the public domain.
Mrs Williams should not be accused of lying either, as I suspect this was her honest opinion, not an established fact.
And here we have it!
Tory Chairman!
Tory Council Leader!
58 Tory Councillors out of 70 seats!
Turkeys voting for Christmas!
Only an outbreak of common sense and intelligence will save you now!
Best wishes from Preston New Road!
Thank you Peter, i dont think that was in any doubt really do you?
Hi Phil,
I didn’t think so at all but I always check the facts before makings comments if possible.
As the Fylde Council that runs the area around Preston New Road has been Tory controlled since history began I did suspect this would be the case.
Lancashire County Council which includes Fylde actually voted NO to fracking but this was overturned by Tory HQ anyway, not because it was the wrong decision for the residents of Lancashire but because it didn’t suit the Tory government!
This has led to a massive policing bill for Lancashire County Council in order to enforce Fracking on an ungrateful public and long delays and humiliation for Cuadrilla, the fracking operator!
Hi Peter, yes, I did notice that the councillors language was very aggressive to the residents? That told volumes?
Peter
And who voted in the councillors? Ahhh, the local residents.
Democracy at work I guess.
Hi Hewes62.
My comment included the quote about turkeys and was put there for a reason.
Turkeys, if they could vote, would I believe not vote for Christmas.
Voters on the Fylde are so gullible they always have.
The last general election saw the sitting Fylde MP get re-elected on a promise to fix all the potholes, reopen all the libraries and ensure that a desperately needed motorway access road was built before a major new housing development was commenced. Needless to say nearly two years later none of these promises have been honoured!
By the way there was a massive postal vote in favour of the Tory candidate of about 20% of all votes cast in this election, I wonder if that’s also the case here?
Peter
I will have a look re postal votes, but it’s a Tory stronghold and the issue is not as big as fracking.
I will also check who was voted in along the south bank of the Humber ( rather industrialised ).
Re the potholes, yes, each party in Bassetlaw does that, and they apportion the money to their support base according to the candidates! So far, not much, but better to do it in warm weather.
The chaps on the pub blame the EU for forcing big lorries on us, but I think they would have turned up anyway.
The farmers trailer have swollen to suit, but you have to keep up with the times or go out of business.
Fylde Coast
Mark Menzies Conservative Party votes 27334
Tina Rothery Green Party votes 1263
The Fylde Coast voted Conservative not green
I take it Tina is still proud of putting pictures up of her with George Osbourne on her websites, political ambition? Using PNR as that political vehicle…
Is that the same Mark Menzies highlighted in this DoD article Kishney? As this one in conjunction with fellow local Tory MP Ben Wallace isn’t to keen on the Roseacre Wood proposals.
https://drillordrop.com/2018/01/10/lancashire-tory-mps-object-to-cuadrillas-revised-plans-for-fracking-at-roseacre-wood/
This is todays Ian R Crane video just for you kish, i know much you are a fan of Ian R Crane.
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4glFwX9jw1w&feature=em-lbcastemail )
Enjoy!
Enjoy!
hewes62-you have to remember the mind set! Democracy is a beneficial tool when it can be manipulated to the anti benefit. When it works against them, then re-education of those making decisions is required. 1984, alive and well.
Apart from one or two “oddities” (Lincoln with a growing University) this has always been an area where you would expect mainly Conservative Councillors, with maybe one or two UKIPers. The Internet would try and tell us Corbynisters are spread in vast numbers across the country. The real world is a little different.
Isn’t that just diversity martin? Too much Is anti anti hatemale martin these days isn’t it?
Didnt you say there is too much hate in the world all ready and not enough love and diversity?
Or does that only work one way when on an industry cult proselytising evangelist gasfire and fracknation campaign?
Halleluiah! Hypocrisy unbound?
Martin
All good stuff. Plus most of the dyed in the wool Labour supporters in the family, and ex pit chaps voted for Brexit. All Notts of course. Interesting times, as Brexit is seen as a right wing thing by some as I hear on Radio 4.
Let’s see how it works in Lincolnshire now we have moved there.
Peter-did the good people of Cumbria vote for Sellafield?
Sometimes (oil/gas no different) national interest decisions are made. No one in my community voted for 300 new houses within the area plan. That was imposed as well. Our choice (sop to keep us happy) was where to put them. Wasn’t really a choice as the local councillors had made it impossible that any of them would be near them and their pals, so they end up being stuffed into little pockets elsewhere. The “badlands” on the edge of town. Remember those from the Saturday morning kids matinee?
Democracy has never been perfect but it’s better than having no choice at all.
These areas to be fracked are within the constituency of Gainsborough which just like the Fylde has been held by the Tories since time immemorial!
Tories everywhere need to wake up to the truth about fracking which can be accessed at List of the Harmed from North America. Nearly 200 pages of multi-victim incidents from several American states including some twenty affecting farmers!
Tories will not be protected from this carnage to come, wake up before it’s too late!
Peter
The frack gas stuff closest to Gainsborough is at Misson and Tinkers Lane. That is still a way off re time and about 8 miles as the crow flies to Gainsborough.
This is small oil, not HVHP shale fracking a la Marcellus etc.
It’s been going on over here for a while ( East Notts and West Lincs ) and now and again we wait ( at the level crossing in town ) for ( or used to ) the oil train rattling through Lincoln ex local Lincolnshire production. Not enough to sate the thirst for oil in the county of course, but every little helps while we develop renewables. And even then someone need to produce lubricating oil, not just someone abroad I guess.
I do not think that a labour government would stop this type of development, it is not addressed in their manifesto. But we shall see.
Maybe the areas where fracking might take place has something to do with where fracking might be successful, Peter ie. geology rather than anything else? Mind you, if this was totally up to the politicians I suspect that might be ignored. However, as they sell licences to commercial companies then at least those commercial companies can make their decisions around input/output expectations. One of the prime areas is around Gainsborough and of course if you drive around the area from Newark up to Brigg, and slightly further afield, you can find quite a number of gas supplied power stations, built in recent years.
Oil prices still rising, so the desire to remove expected pockets of oil from this area being incentivised and largely supported by the locals-not just councillors. Fracking is a separate issue but I am sure the two will be conflated if traction is not possible through other means. Some locals may fall for it but I suspect the majority will not, having discussed the issue over the telephone with one last night, who has lived and worked in the area for the last 20-30 years.
To be perfectly honest I’ve never thought that anything other than a change of Government, European Court intervention on Environmental grounds or a fracking zone disaster will stop the industry proceeding.
Everything else is simply delaying tactics and public awareness.
Fingers crossed it’s either of the first two options that prevail because the third option, which sadly I believe to be most likely, will incur casualties!
Enjoy Lincolnshire, Hewes62. Yes, lots of chickens and also ducks-all heated by good old gas. You will need to wrap up in the winter-or turn up the heating-it can get a little bitter! Also, calculate journey times according to the farming season.
A few years since I was a regular resident at Damons in Lincoln. Don’t know if it is still owned by the same family, as part moved to USA, but it was the most profitable restaurant in the UK for a period. Interesting model, because the prices were very reasonable. Similar approach to Hooters, but without the added extras!
Martin
Damon’s is still there, but the service is variable.
My travel plans are more about holiday traffic, Friday afternoons on the A57 nose to tail cars and vans off to Skegness etc.
We can smell the chicken farms from the house with an Easterly Wind, especially as it’s warmer. The model is, big sheds, one wind turbine, a long row of LPG tanks and a house. Country life.