The Church of England is pulling its investment in major fossil fuel companies because they failed to align with the goals of the Paris climate agreement.
The Church Commissioners and Church of England Pensions Board announced today they would independently divest from fossil fuels.
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, said:
“We have long urged companies to take climate change seriously, and specifically to align with the goals of the Paris Climate Agreement and pursue efforts to limit the rise in temperature to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels.
“In practical terms that means phasing out fossil fuels, investing in renewables, and plotting a credible path to a net-zero world.
“Some progress has been made, but not nearly enough. The Church will follow not just the science, but our faith – both of which call us to work for climate justice.”
The Church Commissioners excluded 20 oil and gas majors from its investment portfolio in 2021.
Today’s announcement said all remaining oil and gas majors would now be excluded from the £10.3bn endowment fund by the end of 2023.
The companies comprise BP, Ecopetrol, Eni, Equinor, ExxonMobil, Occidental Petroleum, Pemex, Repsol, Sasol, Shell and Total.
All other companies primarily engaged in exploration, production and refining of oil or gas, would also be excluded unless they were in genuine alignment with the 1.5C pathway, the church said.
Alan Smith, first church estates commissioner, said:
“The decision to disinvest was not taken lightly.
“Soberingly, the energy majors have not listened to significant voices in the societies and markets they serve and are not moving quickly enough on the transition.
“If any of these energy companies come into alignment with our criteria in the future, we would reconsider our position. Indeed, that is something we would hope for.”
The church said today its national investing bodies (NIBs) had “long actively engaged with fossil fuel companies to encourage meaningful change”.
In 2018, the General Synod agreed a timeline for the NIBs to divest by the end of 2023 from fossil fuel companies not aligned with goals of the Paris climate agreement.
Last week, more than 200 Church of England clergy, including 10 bishops, sent an open letter to the Church Commissioners and the pensions board calling for full divestment from fossil fuel companies.
DRILL OR DROP? 
That is good. Thank you 🙏🌍
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As the boss of an immensely wealthy institution that has wrought great misery on people throughout the Ages the Church of Wokeland must be hemorrhaging members and [Justin Welby] should concentrate on keeping ‘the business’ afloat. The fact that he and a bunch of other un-elected bishops sit and pontificate over plebs like me in the House of Lords is an affront to democracy in the UK in 2023. [Edited by moderator]
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I happen to be a Christian, but do note Christianity like most religions has quite a history of pretty poor activity that is now exposed. It has been exposed due to free speech. Not everyone has to be a Christian. Most in UK are not.
I am afraid the sacred cows free of scrutiny do have a history that seems to abuse that privilege.
The House of Lords bit is totally correct, and a relic of the Civil War in UK. It is not democracy, it is not elected by the voters, but totally by vested interests. It does the job of allowing DoD to point out that the Lords disagree with something and then producing the next, inevitable version, they were rightly over- ruled by the Commons, but I am not so sure that is value for money.
What the Church does with it’s investments is up to them. However, when the returns on those investments drop who is it that suffers? Should be the poor and needy, and then the state of the churches, so I hope they get the alternative investment spot on-but perhaps avoid Siemens, where Siemens Energy have just scrapped their 2023 profit outlook due to the continuing, and growing problems with their wind turbines.
Problem at Siemens appears to be higher than expected failure rates on installed turbines, caused by problems with components.
Despite this, sales revenues are expected to rise by 10-12% this year.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/siemens-energy-scraps-profit-outlook-as-wind-turbine-troubles-deepen/ar-AA1cTIZg
Hardly surprising that sales happen when previous sales fail!
However, remember all those lovely new jobs in renewables? This latest announcement follows previous that included significant redundancies to try to get the ship in order, that has obviously failed.
The cart was put before the horse as it was frightening to announce the cost of the horse. It would appear the cart could have done with some improvement. Let’s hope the EDF components are a little more reliable, although the experience to date would raise some questions.
There are several treaties in the English translation of the Christian Bible that warned of the then, times to come. However, fossil fuels were not specifically mentioned, except perhaps by vague references. Though it may be interpreted that The Roman Empire did possess a certain amount of basic technology concerning bitumen and oil for lights and heating?
But apparently, on looking at recent posts on this website, that those warnings were of the times that everyone lives in now. Those dangers were more directed at the invading corrupt totalitarian political and military power of The Roman Empire and deliberate religious control and corruption through false priesthoods which were forced on people to crush any dissent or protest. That is very evident in the so-called free world today, though the empires now have different names, although the methods of violent enforcement and modus operandi are no different today as they were then.
Perhaps these quotes from the Christian Bible may assist you in examining the difference between truth and fallacy in the respect of modern times, just as they were then.
There are many other religions, of course, and each has similar warnings about the dangers of ignoring the lessons of history. So, as this is a predominantly Christian religious country, as was shown in the recent Coronation ceremony. Some of these appropriate Christian Bible quotes may be seen as examples of where the United Kingdom is today and what to watch out for.
1. ‘For false Christ’s and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.’ (Matthew 24:24, NKJV)
2. ‘Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.’
3. ‘Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?’
4. ‘How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?’
5. ‘You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.’
6. ‘Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.’
15. ‘Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.’
16. ‘By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles?’
17. ‘Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.’
18. ‘A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.’
19. ‘Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.’
20. ‘Thus, by their fruit, you will recognise them.’
For those of us who notice the many forms of disinformation [edited by moderator] in defending the indefensible fossil fuel industry in as many forms as possible, those warning may well be noticed in every aspect today.
Maybe the message that emerges, is that there are no depths too deep to which some can sink in order to conceal the offending fossil fuel industry from the light of reason and rationality?
Wasn’t there a bit in the Old Testament that referred to God creating the earth and everything in it for man to use? Think there was-apart from apples that women were to be denied-so, perhaps God is to blame?
The light of reason and rationality? Well, well, when train cargoes are somehow to blame for train accidents then please excuse me but I have a different form of reasoning and rationality. When feeding livestock a source of calcium is to be questioned, then my reasoning and rationality moves poles apart.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, where an oil spill in Poole Harbour has become history, Japan is preparing to release more than one million tonnes of radioactive waste water into the Pacific Ocean, created in 2011. So, defending wind turbines that are not fit for purpose is highlighted by today’s news, defending other renewables (nuclear is now so designated) yesterday’s.
Maybe the message that emerges is find something better, that works, and that which is known to work doesn’t require defending anymore? The something must be done brigade really needs to get to the something that works after so many things that haven’t, rather than concentrating upon the something that currently works. A cynic would be forgiven for suspecting the something is the bit that is too difficult, or desperately expensive. Takes me back many years where I received the comic book annual at Christmas, with the bit about how the world would look in the future. Fortunately I had older and wiser around me who suggested that many of the suggestions would not come to be because although possible were likely to be too difficult and/or too expensive or just were full of unintended consequences.
In which case the Churches will inherit less to invest!
Oh, mon cher Dieu! Le soi-disant « chrétien » autoproclamé suggère que Dieu est à blâmer? Ces planches ont vraiment obscurci l’œil de l’accusateur, n’est-ce pas? Apparemment, cette « forme différente de raisonnement et de rationalité » dépossède et accuse Dieu de blâmer tout?
J’ai rencontré beaucoup de gens dans le monde, et j’ai beaucoup de parents à travers le monde, certains d’entre eux ont des croyances religieuses différentes. Mais aucun d’entre eux ne blâmerait sa propre divinité pour sa propre situation.
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Oh, my dear God! The so called self professed ‘Christian’ suggests that God is to blame? Those planks really have obscured the eye of the accuser haven’t they? Apparently that ‘different form of reasoning and rationality’ dispossesses and accuses God of the blame for everything?
I have met many people in the world, and have many relatives around the world, some of them have different religious faiths. But not one of them would blame their own deity for their own predicament.
Mais peut-être que le « Dieu » mentionné parmi cette tentative de fanatisme dogmatique est d’une dénomination différente? L’un dérivé de beaucoup plus bas parmi les fossiles est-ce?
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But perhaps the ‘God’ mentioned in amongst that inevitable proffered attempt at dogmatic zealotry, is of a different denomination [demonisation?] Maybe one derived from much lower down below the carbonised fossils?
As for ‘train cargoes are somehow to blame for train accidents’. As usual you avoid mentioning the facts and truth about the dangers of transporting highly toxic chemicals on a minor railway line in insuffiently protected tanker carriages, not through the heavily built up alternative. And whether such a highly toxic load should be carried art speed on a line where the safety devices were either broken or filing. What was carried was the point. Since carrying water or food, or even ‘gas’ would not have been such a dangerous cargo. it was the fact that vinyl chloride is the most toxic fossil fuel derivative product that could have been carried at all. The point was however, that the EPA against all the light of reason and rationality, decided to carry out an ‘uncontrolled burn’ of the most highly toxic chemicals that were documented, that of vinyl chloride, which they must have known would cause the worst type of doixins to be released for thousands of miles around East Palestine to poison the local residents and for thousands of miles away [I can provide proof of that with links] . The fact that those highly toxic chemicals were on the train owned by the train company at all with the warning labelling on the tankers and in the paperwork was a significant danger itself.
For your information, the on site testing for dioxins has never been carried out, and people and animals are still falling sick and dying. Its interesting that you failed to mention any of that isn’t it? I would provide the link to show that, but you wouldn’t read it at all, since only then can you say that ‘you are not aware of any such evidence’, just as you stated previously.
Perhaps it was ‘the devils evil rail operator’ at fault? Or will you blame God for that? Funny how you avoid blaming the highly toxic fossil fuel derivatives and products, in a train wreck, but when its the overhead cables that transmit electricity that cause fires due to trees falling on them, or a corporate bar be cue, suddenly electricity is to blame, but only if its produced by renewable energy resources?
Strange isn’t it? But surprising? No. Far funnier claims have been made from that source. As I will ‘demon’strate.
Quant à nourrir les vaches en calcaire, cela ne fait pas partie de leur régime naturel, qui est de l’herbe, comme je l’ai expliqué précédemment, [pas de céréales, qui sont souvent utilisées comme matière première, les ruminants ne digèrent pas bien le grain et produisent plus de méthane] la liste des additifs à la nourriture des vaches que j’ai montrée il n’y a pas si longtemps, vous n’êtes en aucun cas naturel, Ils ont en fait un effet néfaste sur les vaches, et ne sont pas faits pour leur bénéfice. Mais, comme d’habitude pour « économiser de l’argent » sur leur matière première, et peut même être l’une des causes de la production de méthane flatulent, puisque le calcium est un alcali et qu’il interfère avec l’acide gastrique intestinal multiple naturel des ruminants, la seule façon dont leur métabolisme dispose pour les débarrasser de l’excès de méthane non digéré, est donc de l’exprimer par des flatulences, ou exploser?
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As for feeding cows limestone, that is not part of their natural diet, which is grass, as I explained previously, [not grain, which is often used as a feedstock, ruminants do not digest grain well, and produce more methane gas] the list of additives to the cows food I showed not so long ago, you are not in any way natural, they are in fact of detrimental effect to the cows, not done for their benefit. But, as usual to ‘save money’ on their feedstock, and may even be one of the causes for the production of flatulent methane, since calcium is a alkali and it interferes with the natural multiple intestinal stomach acid of ruminants, the only way their metabolism has of ridding them of excess undigested methane, is therefore to express it by flatulence, or explode?
Mais là encore, puisque vous professez le désir de sacrifier les « diables méchants ruminants » offensants plutôt que d’empêcher les éruptions de gaz d’être fermées et arrêtées, alors peut-être en vrez-vous à blâmer Dieu pour avoir créé des ruminants [et des éruptions de gaz?] en premier lieu?
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But there again, since you profess the desire to sacrifice the offending ‘devils evil ruminants’ rather than stop gas flares from being shut down and stopped, then maybe you will resort to blaming God for creating ruminants [and gas flares?] in the first place?
Incidentally, what actual good or benefit are gas flares to the humans, animals and the Earth and the environment? What do they achieve? Do they provide milk? Do they provide meat? Do they provide revenue? Do they provide a good view?
No. All gas flares do, is pollute, pollute, pollute, and their sole reason for existence for the oil and gas operators is to reduce their costs and increase their profits at the local people and wider planetary cost of dealing with massive pollution worldwide. Because otherwise the oil and gas operators would have to tanker all that wasted gas away and that costs money. instead the raw untreated gas is partially and inefficiently burned off in an uncontrolled burn which pollutes the atmosphere for hundreds of miles around.
But perhaps you will wish to go off on a diatribe about ‘the devils evil concrete’ keeping up your local hospital and stop it falling on your head next? Or will you blame your ‘God’ for that too? I’ve been on many construction sites here and elsewhere, but strangely enough, I’ve never seen ‘God’ pouring ‘the devils evil concrete’? Or sitting at a desk specifying ‘the devils evil concrete’ to support patients lives in one of the few ‘new’ hospitals that the government want to spend £20 billion on? Some governmental discrepancy there between what is to be called ‘new’ or ‘existing refurbished’? All using ‘the devils evil concrete’ no doubt? Though not the 40 that was promised by that former Party Gate Exponent, Prime Minister Boris Johnson [where did he go?].
As for Poole Harbour and the Witch Finder Corporal, well it was plainly stated that the damage to birds and wildlife was severe, but maybe your ‘God’ was to to blame for that too? Sodom and Gomorrah for the birds and fish and mussels. Don’t look back though, or you will turn to a pillar of salt? Or maybe your plastic keyboard will?
Or do you recall saying that electricity cables are only dangerous if they carry ‘renewable’ electricity? [yes you did, I can provide the quote if you wish] When in fact it is lack of maintenance that causes the problems. I could show you the links to the latest court case decision on the fires that were caused. Wait for it, wait for it! By a broken steel ground hook supporting a tie wire cable that support a cable tower, and that had been there slowly being worn away since electricity was first distributed by overhead power cables back in the nineteenth century. No maintenance of the ground hooks for over 100 years! Not electricity and not the cables themselves, not a corporate bar be cue and not a fallen tree. But perhaps you can blame your ‘God’ for that too?
Mais je ne vous montrerai pas le lien, car vous devrez faire ce que vous conseillez aux autres de faire lorsque vous ne fournissez aucun lien, c’est-à-dire… Pour le trouver vous-même.
En, eh bien, vous le savez maintenant.
But I wont show you the link, because you will have to do what you advise other people to do when you don’t provide any links at all, and that is…
To find it yourself.
Touche mon petit poulet du pollueur de la ferme des sorcières
P.S. En ce qui concerne le commentaire « les cargaisons de train sont en quelque sorte responsables des accidents de train ». S’il vous plaît, fournissez des preuves de l’endroit où j’ai déjà dit une telle chose?
Parce que je ne l’ai pas fait.
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Eh bien, vous le savez maintenant.
P.S. As regards the comment ‘train cargoes are somehow to blame for train accidents’.
Please provide evidence of where I have ever said any such thing? Because I did not. [Edited by moderator]
Touche encore une fois mon petit poulet du pollueur de la ferme des sorcières
Merci Paul, c’était assez drôle!
After the deviation, I arrived at the passage declaring what a cows natural diet was!
I really couldn’t be bothered to go any further into fantasy domain.
Who decides what a cows natural diet is? Put a cow in a field of peas and they will gobble up the peas, even if grass is around the headland. Want a reluctant calf to suckle? Smear molasses on the cow’s teats. Whatever they eat if they consume insufficient calcium and produce a calcium rich substance-milk-then milk fever is inevitable.
Most modern cows are far removed from their ancestors in terms of their dietary requirements anyway. As are most chickens, where their ancestors were jungle fowl. Don’t go there, as UK free range hardly stacks up! Stick one of those in the jungle and they would be removed quicker than a certain ex Health Minister.
Cows exist in all sorts of environments now, due to population and demand of humanity, and they require in most cases supplementary feeding. Those countries with limited grazing-sorry no milk! I have airfreighted hay from Canada to UK when there was no grass in 1976 to feed to cattle. An interesting but ridiculously expensive exercise.
I really couldn’t care what the motivation is for some of these weird and wonderful fantasy posts, but as someone who was required as an animal nutritionist to formulate diets for cattle, and other species, out of all the thousands of times I did so, if I had delivered an end result to any customer without a source of calcium the response would have not been milk but something that is also produced by ruminants, especially bulls.
(Before the usual suspects are concerned, yes in agriculture you can be employed in marketing and animal nutrition, at the same time, or indeed at different times. Just requires the education.)
This one is in the category of the report to Mr. Farmer that there is a nasty cow in the field trying to squash the other cows.
“Madam, that is the bull”.
Will be interesting when dogs have their “natural” diet imposed upon them. Chickens especially-see above.
Sorry, but I take the view when so much factual ignorance is displayed about one area then I automatically put the whole lot in the same bin. Okay for French, rubbish in English.
‘I really couldn’t be bothered to go any further into fantasy domain’? Then why do you do it?
Then may I suggest that you cease the attempted deviation and answer the question, whether I said anything about ‘train cargoes are somehow to blame for train accidents’. I did not say any such thing anywhere in any post. That was a blatant fabrication, and a misrepresentation of what I did write, along with the usual fake narratives and misrepresentations deceptions and fantasies that are from that source proffered to date.
As for the ruminant food additives debacle, I see that the unnatural limestone and further unnatural additives as I listed previously and admittedly added to cow’s food has struck home at last and produced the usual extended wild attempts at justification with yet more additional claims? Then perhaps the stated reasoning and rationality have truly moved poles apart? Who decides what a cow’s natural diet is?
The cow, of course, they have millions of years of experience of what to eat and what not to eat. Just present a selection of different modern additives and the cow’s natural native diet, and it will be sure to go straight to the one it prefers. I will bet you it will be its natural diet of grass in summer or hay in winter. Or, if the cows are allowed too, they will naturally migrate to a better environment and not be confined to factory farming prison cages. Then just supply more of that natural diet and all that methane may just become a thing of the past. Try that with a gas flare however, and I suggest you stand well back, and well away from artificially drought climate change global warming depleted dry forests. The result may well be what Canada has found only too recently.
As for the East Palestine train wreck and the ‘uncontrolled burn’ of toxic vinyl chloride that polluted the East Palestine residents and produced the worst possible form of dioxin for hundreds if not thousands of miles. That was a direct result of the type of fossil fuel derivative chemicals that were placed on an ageing railway line which was taken through the remotest areas and ended up wrecked in East Palestine. That was not anything to do with Russian propaganda, as I proved without a shadow of a doubt that the proffered report did not even originate from London, but came from a dodgy website in Berlin.
The claim that the many reports were ‘similar’ to Russian cyber-bot propaganda was not proven or even investigated in any way whatsoever, was it. But was the result of the website authors ‘speculation’ [remember that word ‘speculation’?] No examples or comparisons were provided at all, only the speculation that it was a Russian propaganda exercise.
Except, of course then contrarily, you mention that the fossil fuel derivate highly toxic vinyl chloride was on board the train that was wrecked in reality, and not the product of Russian propaganda at all. And then it was stated that you ‘were not aware’ of the fossil fuel derivative product vinyl chloride toxicity or problems. Could that have been because, you didn’t even look at the evidence that the carriage tankers contained vinyl chloride amongst other fossil fuel derivative chemicals, that were very highly toxic and that vinyl chloride produces the most highly toxic dioxin on record if dumped and burned in an uncontrolled manner, as was the insane case at East Palestine? Was that a reality or not? Where was the Russian propaganda there?
So the train wreck and the subsequent ‘uncontrolled burn’ of highly toxic vinyl chloride producing highly toxic dioxins, was a fact and very real, and not a ‘Russian propaganda’ attack at all, wasn’t it. Do you really deny the facts and the truth? Or did the apparent hypocrisy of the attributed fake narrative of an ‘anti-American’ fake Russian propaganda attempted excuse for the inconvenient truth of a toxic fossil fuel derivative uncontrolled burn off escape your attention?
So which is it? A real event or a Russian propaganda fantasy? Too busy smearing teats, perhaps?
Another challenge for you to ignore.
Ahh, the French connection-to what? Discomfort.
I would just repeat that this “trend” has been investigated. As David Klepper stated, Pro-Russian accounts spread misleading claims and anti-American propaganda about the Ohio train disaster on Twitter. Posts predicted an increase in fatal cancers and others about unconfirmed mass animal die-offs. (See Reset and Felix Kartte for more.)
Now brought to DoD, together with a number of other claims about my own posts. [Edited by moderator] (To save some more French, renewable energy resources is an incorrect claim-although having taken the cargo along that track, one might wonder in respect of California.)
People and animals are still falling sick and dying? Yes, indeed. Here in UK and probably in Ohio. God didn’t get the design to avoid that, but modern human and animal medicine with a great deal of help from fossil fuel and the products derived from it, has managed to improve the situation. Fish are still dying in/around Poole Harbour-as the fishermen would expect.
Minute quantities of cobalt when transported require a skull and cross-bone sign displayed and if spilt into water courses the action required is pretty onerous. Yet, transport is still required. If the transport fails, blame the transport not the product. If the transport company accepts a contract and is unable to fulfill it adequately blame the transport company, even the regulators who regulate the transport but to blame a product for existing and then being required to get from A to B is funny in a way, but rather sad in another. Perhaps the railway should have stuck to transporting items like limestone to add to animal feed to be safe from such? Oh dear, no escape there. So, I have a solution-ban the wheel. Should never have been allowed.
I wonder how radioactive materials will be made and then be disposed in situ rather than transported? However, they exist and I don’t blame them for doing so. Hope a lot of oncologists and their patients feel the same.
Still the misanthropic xenophobia? I think you will find that true Christian values honour and respect all life and all races, as do many religions, regardless of their culture, location of origin, beliefs or spirituality. Also most religions invariably tell the truth and examine their own acts and thoughts, to heal their selves and avoid blaming others for their own actions, rather than to blame any system of belief in any deity, however defined or understood. There is always the Christian confessional, if you wish to admit to misrepresenting anything I write? But that is of course is between you and the confessor, and your God.
However, I forgive you for your, no doubt unintentional trespasses on mine, or anyone’s else’s religious beliefs and culture, no matter who, or which race, or from where, or how they perceive your remarks to be contrary to your own stated belief system or not.
Incidentally, in the Christian Bible, in the Old Testament, it was the serpent that tempted Adam and Eve with the apple from The Tree of Knowledge which led to their expulsion from the garden of Eden, not God.
So perhaps a little more research appears to be advisable before going down that particular misrepresentation of God and the Christian Bible?
MARTIN ,
Your ” OPINIONS ” always void of any evidence , have been duly noted and filled in the appropriate place .
You PRETEND to care about people , but when your OPINIONS are challenged you go strangely quiet , why is that ?????? Choosing to instead ,, PRETEND you’ve not seen the evidence put forward .
I’m still waiting for your response on Fracking and THE DIRTY DOZEN . As a local resident who was going to be exposed to this horrendous toxic industry . I’d of thought you as a PRO-Fracking fanatic would of been more than happy to debate this topic with .
AGAIN I ASK , shall we start at number ONE on the Fracking dirty dozen list ???????
It’s very 🤣 how your snide comments now have expanded to include the energy company EDF , because they’re investing BILLIONS in UK Nuclear Energy and the Church of England for moving their money out of Fossil fuel investments.
Ermm, you mean like $7V$47 was my opinion? £200B was my opinion? 2020 was a normal year? Oh sorry, that was your opinion. As was the bit about Russian oil and gas being piped back into Europe once the war ended. On that quick look see, Jack, your opinions are pretty weird, whilst my facts are accurate. See my third to last paragraph, and put the two together.
The first two were facts Jack, that someone (YOU) then tried to deny. Your memory is playing up again.
I have nothing against EDF. After all there is no one else queuing up to earn the £200B from the UK tax payer. I suspect, as always with nuclear, that is only the tip of the money iceberg. I have already stated new nuclear is required, I agreed with the UK Chief Scientist Jack. it is you and others who have tried to deny that to maintain a false “cheap” renewable label. You have pushed the cart that is next to useless without the horse simply because that £200B cost to the UK tax payer for the horse might have made them wonder whether they should stick with a combustion engine. It has also been UK Government policy to do so for a long time, but since when has Government policy not required scrutiny? They have only just admitted the wind doesn’t blow all the time and the sun doesn’t shine all the time either. I also made it quite clear earlier today what CoE do with their money is up to them but I would expect many of those donating it would like it invested in a way to maximize helping the poor and needy or maintaining the church estate. There are other organizations to donate to if one wishes to alter (oops) the energy market. For pensioners as well, how they have their money invested is their choice. If they apply their own desires and get it wrong financially, then they are responsible. In both cases don’t come shaking a collection tin under my nose, or expect me to pay more taxes to cover others stupidity or dogma. The politicians have already taken prime position for that.
I have seen you put forward “evidence” over a long period of time, Jack, and have debated it with you. It is no different now to what it has been, and it is certainly evidence of something which I will not go into. The evidence that we have not debated it is not correct. The evidence is that I don’t agree with you. Looking at your deviations into Russia and the pandemic I would find there is not much I agree with you about, not even pigeons. Certainly not the NT where I used to be a member and was also a member of a football club. Apart from anything else spent a lot of time criticizing the management of both organizations with many other members, who strangely thought their membership did not dictate otherwise. Indeed, as a lot of money was being spent it was seen as a prerogative of members to scrutinize and criticize. If you live in another sort of society, Jack, it may explain your one side of the story bit, but that ain’t the UK. Well, certainly not a UK where one can research what they wish, if it is legal.
As I have just posted in another situation, if you want to be taken seriously perhaps it is your posts that prevent it? Certainly is for me, most others seem to have lost even that degree of engagement.
Must try out my new crown now Jack! Dentistry, not the other. Good job some glue was still available. Should now be set.
Enjoy your weekend, remember my marketing background, and don’t waste too much time repackaging the old product. No one gets fooled by it.
MARTIN ,
Sadly old chap / old lady the readers will be laughing at this , because it’s the same question they’ve seen me ask you a 100 times before 🤣
Here we go again 🤣 …… MARTIN show the readers exactly how this 200bn for the new generation of nuclear power will directly effect the UK Taxpayer . Prove to the readers this will be UK Taxpayers money and not private investment .
Prepare for MARTIN , not to give us an answer, instead choosing to go off on one of his / her wild off-the-cuff, DIVERSIONARY ” monologues.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I see your still deeply bitter against the National Trust MARTIN .
YOU just can’t stand the fact that they gave a FIRM TO FINGERS to INEOS and ALL things Fracking on their land .
ERM MARTIN ,
Show how this so called $47 and $7 has ANY RELEVANCE to today ?????
MARTIN ,
I showed you just ONE private investor in UK Nuclear energy.
https://www.edfenergy.com/about/nuclear#:~:text=EDF%20is%20leading%20the%20UK%27s,currently%20available%20to%20the%20UK.
Now MARTIN again I ask , show the readers how the £200 bn will be Taxpayers money and not private investment …. Failure to do so will make your comments irrelevant , misleading and therefore should be struck off the Drill or Drop forum page .
MARTIN ,
Just read through your long winded Collywaffle.
Are you ” pretending ” not to notice my repeated requests to discuss Fracking and THE DIRTY DOZEN .
As you are a Pro- Fracking fanatic , why won’t you discuss the serious concerns people have about it … I am a concerned resident…
Let’s start with number ONE , what are your thoughts ?????
So, doubling down on the ignorance. Just more for the bin.
Will a cow decide it’s own diet? Yes, if left to it’s own devices near a field of certain stuff it will decide it is exactly what it wants, to the extent of breaking through a weak fence and eating until bloat kills it! Then, Mr. Farmer you have been wasting all that time removing ragwort from your farms as in the brave new world, the cattle are really intelligent and will just ignore it.
I couldn’t help to avoid the last bit as it wafted above the Add a comment bit.
A real event caused by a train crashing and those that accepted the contract-the train operators-not following correct procedure. Not the responsibility of the product. Have the predicted increase in fatal cancers and unconfirmed mass animal die-offs predicted/speculated been confirmed. Nope.
Talking of train crashes, see some details regarding correct procedure for ruminant nutrition supplied by someone qualified, above, all free. Alternatively, let the algorithm that has already defined what you like to read supply you with some more along the road from fact to speculation to fabrication to conspiracy theory. Putting it politely, your point on that road regarding ruminants is towards the end of that road, not the beginning. Thanks though for displaying that, it is helpful.
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So, that is likely to get you taken seriously Jack?
That is okay, your choice to be silly, but I can’t waste time seriously replying to silliness just for the same silliness to then be repeated.
I can see though why you have difficulty with reality. I have directed you before Jack to look at the price that electricity will be supplied regarding Hinkley Point to ermmmmm-the UK tax payer, in order to FUND what??? Carnivorous pigeons? No. Hinkley Point! Nothing different to other UK power stations, except that the generation price may be very different that will be recovered, when the plant is very expensive. Then times 7, but not unfortunately with a fixed generation price. Other than that token to try and keep some seriousness going, you can now be as silly as you want.
I will have to try and get a private company to fund a new car for me, as they seem so willing that I should not pay it back! Can’t see why householders are so worried about those mortgages from private companies, no need to pay that back either!
When I dine at one of Sir Jim’s funded restaurants I will not have to pay for the private investment!
Do I then get my complimentary Unicorn to prance around my very own Magic Money Tree?
At least today I have had antimatter defined. It appears reality doesn’t matter!
Keep it going, Jack.
Was that an example of a true Christian attitude? Perhaps a reminder that a crown consisted of thorns for one known as Jesus? And what was his response? It was ‘forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do’.
Apparently for some, it also means ‘forgive them Lord, for they know not what they write’?
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I suspect your confessional on Sunday is going to be a long and arduous one.
It has achieved one thing though, by your fruits [your words], you are truly recognised.
Well YYLee, that was a good testing of the thin ice by yourself!
The Lord may forgive them who know not what they write. Associated Press? No.
However, I think you expect a bit too much for the Lord to be that active on social media. I certainly will forgive those that want to use a social media platform to preach what is just factually incorrect, but I will correct it so others are able to do so as well. Misinformation on social media is the temptation that is akin to the apple, but I will do what I can. I fear even cows, God’s creatures, would not forgive being without an adequate source of calcium, and someone has to speak, or write, on their behalf.
Just the sort of Christian thing one should do to protect those that would otherwise be grist to the mill.
Je vois que maintenant vous avez choisi d’épeler mon nom correctement, enfin, Martin Frederick Collyer? Il semble que le confessionnal du dimanche ait au moins produit des résultats positifs?
Et oui, je vais très bien, merci, et ma famille aussi, merci d’avoir demandé.
En Anglais
I see that now you have chosen to spell my name correctly, at last, Martin Frederick Collyer? It looks like that Sunday confessional has at least produced some positive results?
And yes, I’m Very Well thank you, and so is my family, thanks for asking.
Mais non, il n’y a pas de glace ici, mince ou autre?
But no, there’s no ice here, thin or otherwise?
Maybe there’s some in the fridge though? Did the fridge door close on you again? Maybe you could ask a local fossil fuel operation to turn their gas flares in your general direction and melt the ice beneath your feet? Oh, dear! Enjoy your swim anyway, wherever you are?
I doubt the local cows will give you any joy either? Too full of force-fed limestone messing up their digestive tracts? Perhaps the cows will turn into pillars of limestone if they look back at the Poole Harbour Witch Farm Polluter Corporal too?
Vous pourriez toujours proposer de barbouiller les mamelles de la vache pour eux? Mais réchauffez-vous d’abord les mains. Ou ils déchargeront tout ce calcaire gavé sur vous et s’éloigneront pour trouver leur herbe naturellement préférée ailleurs. Puis sera un autre pilier de calcaire.
En Anglais
You could always offer to smear the cow’s teats for them? But warm your hands first. Or they’ll discharge all that force-fed limestone all over you and wander off to find their naturally preferred grass somewhere else. Then will be another pillar of limestone.
But ‘God moves in mysterious ways, God’s wonders to perform’. So you never know your luck? ‘Ask and it shall be given’? Of course, some write in mysterious ways too? Their misrepresentations to perform? To ‘errm’ is human. ‘To forgive is divine’? Apparently for some, it’s invariably ‘ask, and it will not be given’ [answers for example]? As a sort of penance, you could always reply to that, and prove it with links.
And I see that there are still yet more issues to clear up in that new revelation to tell the truth too?
For example, there are still those Aletheiaphobias, misanthropies, and xenophobias, which require much more work to correct and repair in the next confessional?
Touché mon barbouillage de tétine de vache et négociateur de glace
Maybe that new found impetus for much more work to correct and repair in the next confessional, will extend to the Associated Press ‘Russian propaganda conspiracy theory’ article, even? And that of course also applies to all the other requests that the provision of any proof is required for anything said or misrepresented in any posts to date. It would appear, that some more work and necessary research and provision of the associated links as a requirement of proof are required to correct those growing lists of anomalies as well. The lists go on and on.
Perfection, of course, is unattainable by man, however defined, whereas true perfection is God’s domain. However, defined. In order to reach some semblance of credibility, that some necessary effort can achieve at least some degree of attainment of that, particularly where it is shown to be entirely absent to date.
Maybe the present series of evasions [edited by moderator], explains the consistent avoidance to so much as reply, let alone address that particular request for any or all factual proof of such claims amongst all those ‘Russian propaganda conspiracy theories’? Those that are bandied about in place of any provable evidence or even examples? Lack of perfection, or the requirement to attempt some level of human attainment, becomes evidential of an as yet unattained basis for any confidence of credibility.
Perhaps evidentially not knowing what some write, is only surpassed by not reading what anyone writes [even oneself it appears?] Maybe those whose lack of evidence or proof [edited by moderator] are also advised to be elements that could be reconsidered in a further Sunday confessional?
But well done for amending some of those Russian propaganda conspiracy theories? Perhaps the Associated Press ‘Russian propaganda conspiracy theory propaganda exercise’ will be equally beneficial from a confessional of their own?
Hmmm. That hit a sore point.
Apart from all the maybe’s and perhaps, strangely there was some sort of confusion along the fact-speculation-fabrication-conspiracy theory trail.
Meanwhile, I think I will stick to the start of that trail myself.
By the way, if one massages a cow’s teats one should hope to get milk, and one would hope that milk is rich in calcium. I seem to remember that was a significant reason why free school milk used to be supplied in UK schools, before Maggie stopped it. Fortunately, even then, enough was known to make sure that did not deplete a cow’s reserves and they suffered what they were preventing the children suffering. Alternatively, the children might just be given a calcium supplement-and I wonder where that might come from!? The perhaps and maybe’s “might” be interesting [edited by moderator] Rewarding to the authors, offers nothing to the readers except a high risk of embarrassment when repeated.
Je suis désolé que cela ait touché un point sensible? Un peu trop sensible n’est-ce pas? Un soulagement maculé peut-être nécessaire? Je laisse la sensibilité à ceux qui sont les plus sujets aux points douloureux? Ceux qui deviennent si douloureux et si agités en fait, que la vérité et les faits sont devenus un territoire interdit et sont continuellement éludés comme la peste proverbiale. Mais peut-être prétendra-t-on que Dieu est à blâmer pour cela aussi? Pour certains, semble-t-il, c’est la tentation de l’excuse ultime?
Anglais –
I’m sorry that hit a sore point! A little oversensitive there, is it? Some treatment required? I’d hesitate to recommend your cow teat remedy, but, that’s your choice.
Have you even read your own narrative lately? Strange, and strangely embarrassing too. But I enjoyed jollying along with that nonsense for a while. Just to see how far it would go, and did it go!
Back to reality now.
If it’s capable of recollecting the facts of the matter, the entire subject of cows being mentioned at all, was due to certain ‘personages’ claiming that gas flares producing partially combusted methane and further raw untreated gasses to pollute the local environment and atmosphere, are less damaging than a few innocent nearby cows, passing methane of an entirely organic nature, other than from additives force-fed to them such as limestone, sugar waste and god alone knows what else to save money. Which interferes with their digestion processes and causes them excess flatulence in the first place.
The claim from those ‘personages’ was made was that the cows should be ‘killed’ [by whom and for what cost to the farmer and the cow population was not ever mentioned strangely enough] Instead of stopping and ending the entirely wasteful, unnecessary and highly toxic gas in uncontrolled gas flare burns off releasing even more toxins into the atmosphere. The gas flares achieve nothing but save costs to the operators who would otherwise have to store and tanker the wasted gas away for treatment or to wastefully burn in an oxygen controlled burn off. Which costs money the operators do no want to spend. Even to preserve the environment and the local residents from even more pollution. So now having failed in that nonsense all that it wishes to write now is to divert and argue over what is fed to the cows and not to discuss stopping gas flares at all which suddenly has becomes a non subject. That is the reality that you don’t want to discuss. Hence the cow feed nonsense evasion. And obsessions with single words that has no relevance or value in any discussion on the facts or the truth in any discussion.
I had already exposed the Associated Press ‘Russian propaganda conspiracy theory’ article nonsense back when it was first bought up as a diversion and evasion from the East Palestine train wreck and insane uncontrolled burn of the most toxic dioxin producing fossil fuel derivate product chemicals which even made the investigation personnel sick let alone the Americans who live in East Palestine, who are still suffering and certainly will be worse as the years go on, since the released dioxins are long term health and fertility pathogens and are known to cause cancer.
Perhaps, maybe strangely more research is required by those who did no research or provided any links at all, which I did at the time. Then you will have to go and look for it yourself.
Touche mon petit poulet irréel sur l’endroit où vous êtes peut-être peut-être dans un monde fantastique étrangement solitaire où étrangement peut-être peut-être ne nous soucions pas particulièrement des impossibilités qui imprègnent ce monde fantastique sur cette piste poussiéreuse solitaire qui ne mène nulle part, et préférons exister dans le monde réel où seuls les faits et la vérité prévalent?
Well, that confirms two things from within that attempted smokescreen:
Firstly, the metabolism of a cow is a complete mystery to the poster in question.
Secondly, the widespread animal die-offs in Ohio and death and destruction spread across the USA, has morphed into someone feeling sick!
All very amusing, but then I am frequently experiencing people sharing their “feeds” with me that makes me think they should be a bit more careful with what they focus upon or like or share. Thank you for sharing but I do find the reality more interesting.
(Enjoyed a nice lunch in the countryside last weekend, and next to the pub there was a field with a very nice suckler herd of Hereford cattle. No rain for some weeks, not much grass left so was explaining to Daughter Outlaw that Mr./Mrs. Farmer would need to find another field soon or start to feed supplementary feed otherwise cows would start to lose condition-“milking from their backs”. Not to be recommended otherwise that big one, Mr. Bull, would struggle to achieve very good results. Observing the condition of that herd it looked as if Mr./Mrs. Farmer knew what they were doing and how to decide between correct feeding and amusing “feeds”. As Daughter Outlaw is partial to the occasional ribeye steak the reality was of interest. The fantasy stuff that encourages imagination she can now read to my grandson, the fantasy stuff that encourages ignorance she has a few years to prepare to guard him against.)
Non. C’est juste une autre erreur d’orientation et une évasion des problèmes du monde réel encore une fois de votre part.
Anglais
No, that’s not true at all. That typical attempt at nonsense is just more misdirection and diversion, and evasion away from the real world issues yet again on your part.
Looks like I’m still hitting those sore points on every occasion now? Maybe, perhaps strangely, some more teat smears may be required. But be careful on that thin ice? There are lots of nice words you can attempt to demonise in some odd verbaphobic hilarity, and many more to whine about if that is all you have to say about anything?
Désolé, mais tout cela a été continuellement discrédité de sorte qu’il n’a plus aucune crédibilité.
So sorry, but that all of that has been continually discredited so that it no longer has any credibility whatsoever.
And as usual, the wild attempts to isolate one word entirely out of context, and blow that out of proportion doesn’t get anywhere either. That only typically indicative of panic and frantic attempts to avoid the issues, isn’t it. Just as I have proved previously on every occasion to date, with those wild claims and fake accusations that I have proved on every occasion to be entirely fictitious and fantasy with links and verification to the facts and to the truth of the matter. Need I repeat that again? Is it getting through yet?
Also, none of that is going to do anything but highlight that latest attempt at evasion anyway. It merely highlights how little you actually have to write [other than endless attempts to resurrect already discredited claims?] And to be silent when challenged to provide any proof at all.
If you can’t [or wont] provide any proof for any claims, perhaps it’s better to withdraw, rather than take up any more time and space with nothing at all? But it appears that it’s preferable to write long monologues with some weak excuse or other, as you have also done on every occasion to date.
All that is provided there, in those series of evasive posts, is yet more confirmation that you are still attempting to misdirect any proof of the failure to provide the truth and the facts about anything claimed.
Whereas I’ve provided you with the truth and the facts on every occasion to date, and I can prove that with links and proof on every occasion. I’m more than happy to provide the same facts and the same proof and links anytime you wish. Just ask, and it shall be given.
Mais comme la stratégie semble être d’amener tout le monde à faire le travail de recherche détaillée pour que vous puissiez le lire, afin de fournir leur preuve de tout ce qu’ils disent.
But as the strategy appears to be to get everyone else to do the work of detailed research for you to read, in order to provide their proof of everything they say.
Then all you do is to ignore it and divert off on to some attempt at isolating single words out of context that has nothing to do with anything but evasion of the facts and truth. Whereas I provided you with the facts and proof on every occasion to date as I have shown above. But as you never provide any proof, or facts, even though you claim to have done.
Touche mon petit poulet évasif de la source silencieuse, alors vous devrez faire des recherches tout seul pour un changement, et fournir les liens à des fins de vérification, n’est-ce pas? Je vous renverrai à ce post si vous persistez à tenter de nier les faits et la vérité.
Words out of context, YYLee?
Depends on the context!
My context is obviously not yours, but I have already stated several times my context is reality. I am sorry, but you have a desire to isolate certain things and then distort them. Maybe the desire is not the key, maybe you believe them, and I thank you for sharing such “information” but it is actually, factually far away from reality. There is actually a lot of factually correct stuff out there, in all forms, on feeding ruminants. May not be what everyone wants, but in my context I would hope there are more who would be interested in the factual context, than the excitable context. I have read quite a bit of the factual stuff, and then had the knowledge to apply it and the results of my inputs were available for me, and those I offered my services to, to observe and record. Shock/horror limestone was involved, so was salt, so were molasses, so were cereals (that are grasses), so was biscuit meal etc. etc. Indeed, even selenium in selenium defficient areas.
I have no desire to go into teaching, but I do know quite a few pretty good ones, and have great sympathy for their extra role now in getting their students to refine their information feeds back to reality. One University teacher seemed to have the answer. She just warned her new intake of students that if they didn’t then re-writes would be required, and then applied that.
Now, if one wanted to examine the US transport system, for some weird and wonderful reason on this platform, then one could consider they have this habit of transporting dangerous material across the USA by wire! Strangely, it is a very dangerous material that will kill humans and animals if they come into contact with it, and if the transport is not properly maintained it will cause, and does repeatedly, forest fires that kill humans, destroys property, kills animals and results in all sorts of health conditions in humans. Even people feeling sick in proximity to the emissions. All facts available in many publications, and of course the Internet. No need to speculate. However, it would seem humanity has decided it would like to use this dangerous material and would like to get it from A to B. Always without issue? No.
Looking at that reality, I could speculate that UK spending £billions to produce more of this dangerous stuff, and £billions more to transport it, that the same would apply in the UK. I could also speculate that if UK spent all those £billions doing that, there might be a squeeze upon other spending, and hospitals may have delays to their repairs. However, I will leave that “context” to others, some who have even come up with the rather interesting “context” that much will be paid for by someone else, who turns out to be the French State!
Haha! Oh, mon cher Dieu! Vous venez de prouver que tout ce que j’ai dit était 100% correct, et vos propres commentaires 100% faux. Vous ne lisez vraiment rien de ce que quelqu’un dit, n’est-ce pas? Votre faux drapeau de combustible fossile est jeté dans la poussière à laquelle il appartient. Saluez cela.
En Anglais [in English for the lower form]
HaHa! Oh, dear. You have just proved everything I have said to be 100% correct, and your own comment[s] 100% wrong. You really don’t read anything anyone says, do you? Your fake fossil fuel flag lies discarded in the dust where it belongs. Salute that.
Congratulations, Martin Frederick Collyer! Keep digging your own ‘bottomhole’ [fracking terminology], it will only get worse, if you do.
Because, get this once again. Nowhere have I written ‘information’ anywhere! I referred to your ‘disinformation’ above in an entirely different post. Which you have now proved that I was 100% correct in writing that.
There is the proof you have provided all by yourself. You not only isolate individual words and blown them up out of all proportion.
Mais vous ne pouvez même pas fournir le mot correctement!
But you can’t even provide the word correctly!
Étrangement, et peut-être, peut-être que l’école anglaise de première année est recommandée pour un exemple aussi autodestructeur d’extension de cette capacité clairement inculte et embarrassante à débattre de quoi que ce soit avec quelque compétence que ce soit.
Strangely, and perhaps, maybe first year English school is recommended for such a self-defeating example of over extending that clearly uneducated and embarrassingly minimal capacity to debate anything with any competence whatsoever.
You are not going to live this down in a hurry! Thank you for that ‘disinformation’ I will use it again and again and again!
Vous n’allez pas vivre cela à la hâte! Merci pour cette « disinformation », je l’utiliserai encore et encore et encore!
You are going to Love This!
Touche encore une fois mon petit poulet évasif de la source silencieuse, alors vous devrez faire des recherches tout seul pour un changement, et fournir les liens à des fins de vérification, n’est-ce pas? Je vous renverrai à ce post si vous persistez à tenter de nier les faits et la vérité.
HaHa! Vous n’allez pas vivre cela à la hâte! Merci pour cette « information », je l’utiliserai encore et encore et encore!
You can indeed use it again and again, YYLee.
That is why I provided you with the facts. I have no copyright over facts. They are easily accessible.
“Information” that is provided that is incorrect is not factual, YYLee, therefore it is disinformation. Unless someone is masquerading as yourself, you are the one who has provided it. According to Associated Press “Pro-Russian accounts spread misleading claims and anti-American propaganda about the Ohio train disaster….” and go on to reference why they make this claim that was researched by Reset. You claim you have disproved this, yet you haven’t. I do remember some weird and wonderful attempt at deflection concerning where Felix Kartte was located, but I smiled and moved on.
If the misinformation had not been provided by yourself, I would not have wondered “what is this about?” and delved a little deeper. After all, train crashes are not exactly rare in USA, carrying dangerous materials on railways is not rare in USA or elsewhere, so “what is this about” was a logical response. It took me to some interesting extra information that did explain more about the reality than had been offered.
It is possible to track (oops) back from the conspiracy theory end of misinformation/(“misleading claims”) and find the reality. Some helpful souls such as Reset will be quite pleased to do so, as that is what they do.
Using facts again and again will be an improvement upon the alternative, but I am not holding my breath that the alternative flame will not have a bigger draw for the moth. However, remember the moth doesn’t do well even though many moths will not reflect upon that.
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Haha! Oh, n’êtes-vous pas si gentil, généreux et impartial M. Martin Frederick Collyer OBE [Other B’s Effort]? Je vais très certainement l’utiliser encore et encore et encore, et encore! Que vous m’accordiez « gracieusement » la permission ou non?
Anglais –
HaHa! Oh, aren’t you so kind, generous, and fair-minded Mr. Martin Frederick Collyer OBE [Other B’s Effort]? I most certainly will use it again and again and again, and again! Whether you ‘graciously’ grant me permission to or not?
Je vais écrire ceci ce soir et le traduire en anglais demain.Cela va être long, alors je vais le diviser en, même pour vous, en parties gérables. Mais vous l’avez demandé, alors vous l’avez compris. Je vous ai dit que je l’utiliserais encore et encore et encore, n’est-ce pas?
Anglais
I’ll write this tonight [last night now, its 05.30AM] and translate it into English tomorrow [today]. This is going to be a long one, so I’ll break it up into, even for you, manageable parts. But you asked for it, so you get it. I told you I would use it again and again and again didnt I?
However, ‘strangely and perhaps even maybe’, there was a change in the weather? Except that isolated brief wordy out of context interlude all falls apart once more after that brief episode where the sun suddenly came out and some other kind and generous, and fair-minded version of Martin Frederick Collyer, graciously gives me permission as if it’s even required? Suddenly of course that brief interlude of Christian generosity again evaporates and returns to the previous version who just can’t keep that Christian facade up any longer? And the sun goes behind the darkest of black clouds once more?
Then I read your really very hilarious attempt at offloading the responsibility for misdirecting away from the facts and the truth. Yes, I actually do read your posts? Apparently contrary to my best interests? Whereas reading your own posts appears to be something of a problem for you.
Is that because there is more than one contributor under the avatar of Martin Frederick Collyer? I notice that the avatar symbol had changed around that date too? I recall how surprised you were that the post which sparked all this nonsense mentioning the Associated Press Russian propaganda conspiracy theory, that apparently you had not read until the moment of your second post which you then practically screamed about in surprise at what was supposed to be your own post?
Does that ring one of those memory warning bells at all? I noticed it at the time though. No. Thats not a’ conspiracy theory’ either, I merely observed the train! of events at that moment and the sudden surprise of your post after that event. But being more than generous and kind, as usual, I decided you already had enough on your plate to deal with, trying to spread speculation about ‘Russian Propaganda conspiracy theories’ and left it alone. But being too kind and forgiving is a Christian value, isnt it. Isnt it? Where has that gone to, in your subsequent posts?
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Ensuite, vous écrivez : « C’est pourquoi je vous ai fourni les faits. Je n’ai aucun droit d’auteur sur les faits. Ils sont facilement accessibles.
Then you write – ‘That is why I provided you with the facts. I have no copyright over facts. They are easily accessible.’
What? ‘Provide me with ‘facts’? Where? When? Where are those ‘facts’ every time I had to challenge you to provide them, when you misquote me and never answered to prove that I had written anything of the sort? Strangely absent isnt it.
Obviously those ‘facts’? Must have been invisible to the naked eye? Or, more likely, were never provided at all, since it was never anything I had written. ‘Easily accessible’? Where? Certainly not on Drill or Drop? I’m sure I would have noticed? I’m definitely sure I would have noticed? Even when I asked for any proof, or facts, and even challenged you to produce any ‘facts’ at all dozens of times over. Just as others have done. But nothing was forthcoming for myself or for them was it? Nope. No ‘facts’, redefined by you into imaginary ‘information’ and ‘disinformation’ in order to reverse the meaning in that vain attempt at wriggling out of your own hilarious post consequences, or otherwise.
No. You consistently never provided any ‘facts’ or ‘truth’ or any links for verification purposes at all. A total absence of ‘facts’ in ‘fact’. So I will challenge you once more. Please show me where when I have asked you to provide factual verification, that anything you have claimed I said, that I siad at all anywhere? There are at least a dozen or so occassions when you failed to produce any such ‘factual’ evidence whatsoever.
And then, you write this – “Information” that is provided that is incorrect is not factual, YYLee, therefore it is disinformation.’
Thats what I said, and it was your ‘disinformation’ attributed to myself as ‘information’ which I didn’t write, anywhere at all, that I called ‘disinformation’ which was correct. Then you attempted to redefine the word ‘information’ as ‘disinformation’!! But not the reverse I notice? Since by that twisted confusion, ‘disinformation’ then becomes ‘information’ and therefore factual! Which entirely defeats your efforts to reverse the meaning in your own confusional method? No doubt in order to thoroughly confuse the issue. But the confusion as you demonstrate by that post, is all yours. [Edited by Moderator]
Are there no depths to which you will not sink to escape the facts and the truth? You even put the English language under attack to evade the facts and the truth. This begins to look more like ‘The Great Reset’! In which case, God help us all.
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So Martin Frederick Collyer, [whoever or whatever writes these contradictory monologues] you agree that what you said was ‘disinformation’ and entirely out of context about myself writing ‘information’ or any other of your claimed but false attributions in any post, which I did not write in any posts above. Whereas I have provided you on every occasion with real world linked facts and evidence at every occasion. Trying to redefine the word ‘information’ now in your own typically fantasy way will not gain you any relief from those thin ice sore points, will it? So now you are attempting to discredit reality itself out of panic and frailty of your already fallen arguments, even the real world you are disassembling before your very eyes in order to prop up your failing logic? Are there no depths to which you will not sink in order to defend the indefensible? It appears not.
And then this – ‘Unless someone is masquerading as yourself,’ Nope, I’m me right here, in the flesh, unlike some I could mention, without a shadow of a doubt. However, as I wrote above, there are some who maybe strangely, perhaps who masquerade as yourself, by your own account? And that explains your surprise at reading, what had been supposed to be your own previous post at the time.
Then you write this – ‘you are the one who has provided it.’ – No, I did not provide ‘it’ [whatever ‘it’ is], so that is not true.
And then you write this – ‘According to Associated Press, “Pro-Russian accounts spread misleading claims and anti-American propaganda about the Ohio train disaster….” and go on to reference why they make this claim that was researched by Reset. You claim you have disproved this, yet you haven’t.’
Yes, I did disprove it, I explained to you at the time, that upon researching the Associated Press and the Reset website myself, something which you, as usual, did not provide yourself. That I found the following anomalies with the claimed Russian Propaganda conspiracy theory. –
I found that Felix Kartte, the author of the original report that made that claim, was based in Berlin, not London as you stated, and that the entire ‘Russian Propaganda’ conspiracy theory, was based upon social media Twitter blue key posts that the author claimed were ‘similar’ to Russian Propaganda Twitter posts, though did not provide any examples of that at all. But gave only one or two examples from strangely selected Twitter posts that were not verified to be Russian at all. How could they be? But merely were said to be ‘similar’ to a style ‘similar’ to Russian posts. That is not proof. And I said so at the time.
However, what is perhaps maybe a more relevant question, is, if those posts were propaganda, were they strictly of Russian origin, or from other propaganda sources? Since an unofficial war was being fought in Ukraine, by Russia at the time, someone said, ‘the first casualty in war, is the truth’. So with modern warfare, the propaganda on all sides is endemic, and may even be designed to appear as the opposite side would write to carry out, what is now referred to as ‘fifth generation warfare’ which is a cyberwar of ‘information’[in your terms] and ‘disinformation’ in all directions with no hold barred, real or imaginary.
You were fond, at the time, of calling everything that criticized fossil fuel operations in perfectly rational language with links and proof, for verification purposes, as ‘speculation’. Which they were, and still, are not ‘speculation’ at all, but factual proof and the truth.
So I returned the word ‘speculation’ which it was very clear that the word ‘similar’ as quoted in the Associated Press, was no more than ‘speculation’. If you recall, I also asked you what precisely was the Russian propaganda meant to achieve? Was it that the East Palestine, Ohio train wreck and uncontrolled burn of highly toxic chemicals had not happened at all? Was it that the there was not an uncontrolled burn of vinyl chloride that produced the most highly toxic form of dioxins into East Palestine Ohio, which would inevitably lead to long term cancer, damaging fertility and respiratory problems, which I provided you proof that Dioxins of the highly toxic nature are recorded from the highest sources that they do indeed cause those problems. It is those short and long term health and fertility problems, including cancer, which it appears you are keen to dismiss with nothing more than a ‘speculation’ about ‘unproven Russian propaganda conspiracy theories’ which could have been placed on Twitter by anybody or any organization. I’m no fan of Putin and Russia, and the war in Ukraine is insanely motivated and carried out, but in the ‘information/disinformation’ war that the Russia/Ukraine war has created, it is even more important to do the required level of research to establish if, the claims of ‘conspiracy theories’ are even factual, or just prejudicial ‘speculation’. Failure to do so will only lead to the degree of confusion, such as you have demonstrated here.
Partie quatrième ci-dessous –
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And I detailed for you what is termed as a controlled burn. And to please provide proof that the twitter posts were indeed Russian propaganda. Which, as usual, you failed to do, or even answer the question. That was a perfectly reasonable response of mine to any attempt at ‘conspiracy theory. I then did my own research and found out all the anomalies and provided the links for you to verify what I told you was the truth. Then you say this – ‘I do remember some weird and wonderful attempt at deflection concerning where Felix Karrte was located, but I smiled and moved on.’ No. That is wrong again. There was no ‘weird and wonderful attempt at deflection concerning where Felix Karrte was located’, from myself at all, I merely provided you with the true location of Felix Karrte was in Berlin, not in London as you had written.
I don’t know what you consider as ‘weird and wonderful’ But the truth and the facts are certainly nothing of the sort. Whereas I would call those who appear to be frantic to shut down any conversation on a fossil fuel disaster as a ‘conspiracy theory’, even a speculated ‘Russian Propaganda conspiracy theory’, to be ‘conspiracy theorists’ themselves. However and whoever that nonsense label is applied.
Unless of course, you think that anything that blames ‘Russian Propaganda conspiracy theories’ is a good weaponised narrative, truthful or not, in order to demonise any factual and truthful discussion on the East Palestine Ohio train wreck, and subsequent insane uncontrolled dump and burn that will undoubtedly have the worst effects on the American people of East Palestine, destroying their health both in the short term and the long term [i have factual proof of all that information, which I will post on Drill or drop later, perhaps this evening], as it is doing this moment, and caused the deaths of much wildlife [which you attempted to misquote again that it was ‘all wildlife’ out of the correct context yet again]. And the resulting dioxins from the partially combusted vinyl chloride and other chemicals will cause cancer, respiratory damage and threatens the life of all who were unfortunate enough to breath that vast mushroom clod of pollution.
I could go on quoting the rest of your hilariously contradictory and misrepresented nonsense posts, but that will have to wait for another day, as I’m off to work. Remember work? It kind of prevents people sitting around all day posting nonsense. A doubtful pleasure, which I’m glad to say, that I prefer to deal with the facts, rather than the confused and misquoted nonsense of ‘conspiracy theories’ which I have never done, I would request that you provide proof of where I have ever done such a thing, but then again, of course, you would never be able supply it would you.
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Hmmm.
I did read that load of whatever. Most of it was total nonsense. A lot of effort required but that is the way of smokescreens.
For example:
There is no conspiracy regarding my avatar. For some reason, DoD changed it. I have made no changes or additions. It happens on DoD. I don’t know the reason, but hey ho, there is only one of me readers will be pleased to know. If you are so suspicious you can always contact Paul. I could offer my own conspiracy theory as to why I am now in red, but will leave that to others who may focus upon such conspiracy-oh, someone just did, whilst also trying to deflect. I am quite happy to be in red or blue, it is not my choice, but I am happy either way. The reality is not a problem, YYLee. Only to yourself, it would seem.
Then the report from Reset, referenced by Associated Press, that you want to define as a conspiracy theory-nice attempt to just reverse! You and I, YYLee, have discussed the subject previously on DoD, so I was aware of the report shortly after you did exactly what the report references and you were aware of that, which is when you came out with a previous load of nonsense to try and wriggle off the hook. It was your initial sharing of what appeared a pretty normal event on a US railway that made me wonder why so, as I stated, I delved deeper-after your original sharing. Reset also delved deeper and came to the account sources of the “story”. The organ grinders.
Thanks for the opportunity to remind readers about Reset. They are a London based non profit that studies social media impact on democracy. You are quite aware of them as you have previously referred to them. Some readers will remember, others can check if they want to.
I could go on, but when the individual starts rushing round in circles declaring nonsense in English and/or French then there really isn’t much point.
I would suggest if you spent less time translating and more time actually focusing upon what the reader might read, then you may start to make more sense. Then, you could add a bit of research regarding the metabolism and feeding of ruminants rather than sharing more weird and wonderful nonsense. On social media there will always be those who will know it is weird and wonderful and will be pleased to bring the gullible back to reality. It is not such a bad place, where there are many kind souls around the world who are caring and sharing their knowledge to do such good work as maintaining the calcium requirement of an animal that is often having calcium removed from it daily-sometimes twice a day and sometimes many times a day if feeding a calf.
Reminds me, I must add some milk to my shopping list, to help maintain my own calcium intake and trust the nice animal that is providing me with that is being equally cared for. The reality is that she will be, if I buy from a source that has checks on such things conducted by other kind souls around the world who will be showing a genuine interest in the welfare of those nice animals, and binning the weird and wonderful.
Oh mon dieu! Quel post de colère est-ce? Étrange comment les faits et la vérité illicitent une réponse aussi mauvaise humeur, n’est-ce pas? Peut-être que j’ai touché plus de ces points sensibles de glace mince une fois de plus? L’ironie de « la plupart » de vos mots « totalement absurdes » est presque drôle, si l’accident de train de l’Ohio en Palestine orientale et la combustion délibérée et incontrôlée subséquente de produits chimiques dérivés de combustibles fossiles hautement toxiques et potentiellement mortels n’étaient pas si tragiques?
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Oh My God! What an angry post is that? Strange how the facts and the truth illicit such a bad-tempered response, isn’t it? Maybe I touched more of those thin ice sore points once more? The irony of ‘most of’ your ‘totally nonsense’ words is almost funny, if the East Palestine Ohio train wreck and subsequent deliberate uncontrolled burn of highly toxic life-threatening fossil fuel derivative chemicals was not so tragic?
Are those some of the smokescreens you are talking about? Or perhaps it’s the Canadian simultaneous forest fires that polluted the skies of Canada and America so very recently?
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Strangely and perhaps maybe those words could be more carefully chosen, since the silly accusation is fundamentally ironic considering the facts and the truth of the matter, but it appears to be almost determined to make this faux pas’ without moments thought? But perhaps you will say that God is to blame for everything?
As for the avatar image change, then it was to your insidious comment to which I returned the complement, which I quoted, ‘Unless someone is masquerading as yourself,’. So that was the consequences of your own ‘conspiracy theory’ wasn’t it? Again, you don’t seem to read your own posts at all?
Je n’ai pas beaucoup de temps à perdre sur vos commentaires stupides « totalement absurdes » ce matin. Mais je continuerai à exposer vos commentaires « totalement absurdes », peut-être peut-être le week-end, vous pouvez en être assuré.
Anglais
I’ve not much time to waste on your silly ‘totally nonsense’ comments this morning. But I will continue my exposure of your ‘totally nonsense’ comments perhaps maybe on the weekend, you may be assured of it.
Touche mon petit poulet irréel sur l’endroit où vous êtes peut-être peut-être dans un monde fantastique étrangement solitaire.
MARTIN ,
More wild Off-The-Cuff ” OPINIONS ”
I know what your getting at MARTIN and just to make my point crystal clear, I will continue to hammer home and expose to the readers that what you give to them is only ever , your own , wild off-the-cuff OPINIONS backed up with nothing
Whatever your OPINION is on the Russia – Ukraine War…… It has ALWAYS been said that the first casualty of War is the truth .
Like with this war , when you are ONLY allowed to hear one side of the story , you’ll never get a balanced view on what’s really going on .
Need I remind you about Covid and the way critics were ” censored ” and vilified….. The Iraq War, Libya, Afghanistan ….. Most people now have woken up and can smell the coffee .
One thing I’ve NEVER heard being talked about from day one , is peace and a way to de-escalate the situation……. When will there be a relentless push for peace instead of a costly , relentless push for an escalation of the war . Haven’t the ordinary people , the real victims of this terrible war suffered enough ???????
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I also hope that the Archbishop of Canterbury has declined to take any pension from his former employer Shell and by doing so support the actions at the Church of England. Perhaps he has never taken a pension from Shell? I trust DOD will investigate and let us know?
One religion divest from another
Interesting read on divestment and how it might not hit the wider public as hard as some claim
https://www.cell.com/joule/fulltext/S2542-4351(23)00220-9
Well they’ll need to rewrite the bible regarding the burning bush!!
I hope the Church of England divests all investments and aims to help those in need and eradicate poverty and hunger!!
The Church of England knew it was investing in the transatlantic slave trade during the 18th century, the head of its investment arm said on Wednesday, after it committed 100 million pounds ($121 million) to address the “shameful” wrongs of links to slavery.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna65279
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/11/church-england-told-sort-house-paying-slavery-reparations/