Biscathorpe oil exploration site, Lincolnshire, 6 January 2019. Photo: Eddie Thornton
An oil company has banned members of a community information group from taking part in protests about its exploration site.
Egdon Resources formed a community liaison group for people living around its well at Biscathorpe, near Louth, in Lincolnshire.
But before the first meeting members were, unusually, asked to sign “terms of reference”, including an undertaking that they would not protest about the site.
One local farmer who refused to sign has been told she can no longer attend the group.
Community liaison groups (CLGs) have been established to share information about recent activity at several oil and gas sites in Lancashire, Nottinghamshire and West Sussex, sometimes as a condition of the planning permission.
None of the members of these CLGs contacted by DrillOrDrop have been asked to sign anything similar to the Egdon Resources “terms of reference” document.
The CLG for Cuadrilla’s Preston New Road site near Blackpool has several regular protesters among its participants. A member of the Misson Springs CLG for an IGas site in Nottinghamshire is an active protester. Participants of the Tinker Lane CLG, for another IGas site in Nottinghamshire, include both opponents and supporters of shale gas.
Usually, the terms of reference are drawn up by the group members or by a local authority. At the Misson Springs CLG, the terms were prepared by Nottinghamshire County Council as part of a section 106 planning agreement.
“No protest or disruption”
In contrast, the “terms of reference” for the Biscathorpe CLG were drawn up by Egdon Resources. The document required members to sign an undertaking:
“Not to incite violence or protest which disrupts the operation of the group or endangers the operation of the site or its personnel.”
The document said:
“Any member in breach of the above agreement will be asked to leave the group”.
“Egdon reserves the right to disband the group if it becomes apparent that it is no longer effective as a medium for the open sharing of information about the Biscathorpe operation or in the event that the site is restored.”
“Not welcome”
Mathilda, who farms land adjoining the Biscathorpe well site, said local people were invited to volunteer to join the CLG. She told DrillOrDrop:
“I put my name forward because I wanted to find out what was going on.
“Before the first meeting, I received a document to sign, containing terms and conditions. All of them really upset me.
“At the meeting, we were sitting around a table. I was opposite the chief executive.
“The meeting started with an introduction from the public relations lady, who asked whether we were happy to sign the document.”
“Everyone else signed. But I said ‘I am not’.”
Since then, Egdon has passed over the chair of the CLG to a local resident.
Mathilda said:
“It was suggested to me that I was not really welcome any more. I was told it was not appropriate for me to be there.
“I had planned to go with my own terms of reference. I wanted to be there to speak to the chair. But I’ve been told I will not be invited back to another meeting.”
Campaigners against drilling at Biscathorpe in Lincolnshire, 31 October 2018. Photo: SOS Biscathorpe
“Reasonable request”
Rachel Smith, who coordinated the Biscathorpe CLG, told DrillOrDrop:
“The Community Liaison Group has been established to provide a conduit between Egdon and the community so that information about the drilling operation can be shared and questions answered. The meetings will also provide an opportunity for CLG members to have tours of the site and speak to experts in various specialisms.
“The CLG must be a safe and secure forum, therefore the terms of reference for the CLG asks members to commit to a code of conduct.
“One such request is: ‘Not to incite violence or protest which disrupts the operation of the group (the CLG) or endangers the operation of the site or its personnel.’
“Health, safety and security of the CLG and the site and personnel is the highest priority, so this clause, among the others, was accepted by all members of the group, except for one, as a reasonable request.”
Mathilda said she, and the local opposition group, SOS Biscathorpe, have continued to protest against Egdon’s operations at the site, where work to drill an exploration well began just after Christmas.
“What does Egdon have to hide?”
Elizabeth Williams, a campaigner who has opposed Egdon through the planning system and at protests, said:
“I’d personally like to challenge the discrimination that suggests that protestors will incite violence or endanger the operation of the site. As a member of SOS Biscathorpe, I’d stress that our bottom line is “do no harm” to anyone on either side of the site gates.
“It is a shocking indication of the disproportionate power the oil and gas industry wields. Egdon’s claims to transparency and inclusivity are given the lie here. What do they have to hide?”
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DRILL OR DROP? 
Keeping the hooligans out, a good move. Hopefully rolled out to future developments.
Ha, good one GBK, so the local community must be hooligans if they won’t sign away their right to protest?
With supporters like you and policies like this it’s easy for campaigners, you do half the work for us.
Hmmm I’m not seeing one successful court case for the camoflauge crew so it seems my support and the policies are doing their job rather well!
Didn’t know you were into Rap GBK? In fact all charges were dropped against Camoflauge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camoflauge
All the reporting on this website is valuable but this (rare) opportunity for single suppressed voices to be heard by more people begins to restore a power balance.
So you can only be in a liaison group if you agree with what they say ?? Surely they don’t need a group in order to talk to themselves ? More corporate BS , these people need to grow up and live in the real world, not in a PONZI SCHEME.
Jono
The terms of reference did not include a requirement to agree with what EGDON say, just not to do certain activities.
Re PONZI scheme, I am not sure that applies to onshore small, conventional oil fields in the UK.
It is worth noting that the well has an estimated 40% chance of success, so 60% chance of it not being so. Good to be upfront to the investors as to estimated probability of success.
Don’t think you understand fully the mechanisms of a Ponzi scheme.
GBK, the hooligans tend to be the security, as witnessed and filmed at KM8.
AD and we need security because? Answer on a postcard please!
Dear all,
I visited the West Newton site about a week ago. I drove past the monitoring camp and the gentleman there was okay with me. Asked me and my wife if we’d like a leaflet. I gladly accepted and he explained why they were there.
Far far removed from the reception and verbal aggressive abuse that was hurled at the CEO of Union Jack Oil on his visit to the site.
I have met that CEO and he’s a very nice and placid man. I do not even feel someone who holds no grudges towards anyone should have been treated that way. He genuinely feels that communities should benefit from oil and gas exploration.
Now the Council has ordered the monitoring camp to be removed. This will happen to all the camps. Misson Springs is 4-5 miles from my home.
I’ve driven past there too, without any issues. Violent behaviour will always be frowned upon. And they say you reap what you sow.
AlanJ, I know a lot of oil company executives and all have been very intelligent and well mannered. Also what might surprise many people is that quite a few are vegetarian, ride bikes into work and are left of centre in terms of their political outlook; they seem comfortable in their own skin. This contrasts with the middle class protesters who seem to have under achieved and the rent a mob protesters who were destined not to achieve much; both of these groups seem very nasty with chips on their shoulder the size of the Titianic.
Rather stereotypical view of protesters Judith. And I have also met oil execs in the course of business and some have indeed been very nice people but some have been arrogant, deceitful and ruthless. Like most things in life, you get a mix.
KatT – I spent the first third of my adult life protesting about everything that the left was supposed to protest about. It’s rather confusing that in the 80’s I was protesting because to keep our coal mines open and not import coal from south Africa and now the left are saying don’t produce your own gas just buy it from another country that has far worse HSE records than your own.
The protestors are saying ‘keep fossil fuels in the ground’, regardless of where it’s from. Please don[t just make things up to satisfy your own viewpoint.
Steven Barber
I did not see in the report that one signed up to just agree with Egdon. The Liaison Group is free to agree or disagree with the company at the meetings.
I am sure that those who signed are quite capable of disagreeing the company should they feel the need to do so.
It’s funny how both you and Peeny reveal so much with your generalisations about “the left”
KatT you all live up to the stereotype trust me, easily profiled.
Monitoring activity around fracking sites is very fruitful for discovering the truth. Local authorities and the Constabulary along with the fracking operators do not like their collusion to be publicised.
Our Gate Camp people along with our perfectly legal drones have reported illegal overnight convoys, fanciful claims of gas flow, changes in neighbouring land and water conditions, lack of wheel wash utilisation, illegal right turns into site and many other situations.
The frackers want to be left unmonitored and equally the Community needs to be aware of what’s going on for their own safety.
Here at PNR we’re still unaware of how much airborne pissibly carcegenic gas been released unburnt into our atmosphere and also how much fracking fluid has leaked into our land and waterways!
Peter Roberts
You say you do not know how much frack fluid has leaked into the land and waterways.
Is that not that you do not know if any has, or do you know it has, but do not know just how much?
‘He genuinely feels that communities should benefit from oil and gas exploration’ would only have relevance if the community wanted the industry in the first place.
JP – stick to the Ribble Valley. And CBLs……..
And don’t forget your love of all hydrocarbons North Sea:
Good news for JP, bad news for Sherwulfe….good news for UK, bad news for EOI:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-47041270
“A significant gas discovery in the central North Sea is being described as the biggest find in more than a decade.
Chinese state-owned company CNOOC said it made the gas discovery – estimated at 250 million barrels of oil – in its Glengorm project, east of Aberdeen.
Further appraisal work is planned, but it is understood it could be extracted using existing infrastructure.
Enemies of Industry Scotland said the find was terrible news for the climate.”
“Caroline Rance, from Enemies of Industry, Scotland, said: “It’s a disgrace that oil and gas exploration is still going ahead in the seas off Scotland.
Note that it is a Chinese discovery…….
Paul
Meanwhile US shale oil is changing world politics. Maybe the US are happy to have a shale oil industry funded by US cash ( the Ponzi scheme ) rather than rely on imports. More jobs, tax and cash all round.
A home grown Ponzi scheme is better than one you need to go invade somewhere to support?
Importing the stuff is …. out of sight, out of mind.
https://www.fircroft.com/blogs/us-oil-production-to-outpace-russia-and-ksa-combined-by-2025-92929151915?utm_campaign=EngineeringPro-+Issue+16+-+30th+January+2019&utm_source=emailCampaign&utm_content=&utm_medium=email
The Ponzi scheme seems to be benefiting a lot of people in the USA – 1 million jobs directly related to the oil and gas industry – all time low gas prices that allow their chemical industry compete with China. The latest figures I’ve seen from Wood Mackenzie also look pretty good in terms of the finances of the companies that the anti-frackers would like everyone to think are about to collapse.
The Great American PONZI scheme is funded on the back of cheap money, funded by an ever increasing amount of printing money and IOUs by the US.
https://www.redpepper.org.uk/exposing-the-economic-lies-behind-the-fracking-hype/
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-22/shale-oil-ponzi-scheme-explained
I could put a milliin people back to work making DAISY chains with pretty little flowers if I had an endless supply of money from the government …… BUT then of course who will suffer MOST when all this printing money and IOUs have to be accounted for ???????…….. Answer.. The ordinary , everyday , tax paying people .
Re-above
I am of course talking about FRACKING in the USA, when I refer to the great PONZI scheme .
You mean just like Tesla, Jack?
Oh, the capitalist swine, taking advantage of those silly investors who are so silly that somehow they have “acquired” money to chuck away! Ahh, it must be coming from the money paid out to the locals from the generous US fracking companies.
Oops.
Confused again MARTIN,
Its Shale Gas Investors who are REALLY losing the shirts of their backs .
REALLY Jack??
Please supply your evidence that investors into fracking companies have become so destitute they have lost their clothing, to a greater extent than any other investor.
Meanwhile, in USA as the Arctic Vortex arrives again, good job they have loads of cheap gas and oil to keep them ALIVE-perhaps warm enough to dispense with shirts.
In UK as the cold weather takes hold we can always call up Vlad to help us out with some extra gas supplies-at a price-that the individuals in fuel poverty will find difficult, or impossible, to pay.
SILLY TIME AGAIN is it MARTIN ???????
I’ve shown you the GREAT AMERICAN FRACKING PONZI evidence. LINKS.
Is that not enough ????
Fuel poverty is not silly Jack. It is a factor in thousands of deaths in the UK. If you find that funny you have a strange sense of humour.
No, your links are not enough because ONCE AGAIN they do not prove what you stated. Just the same as the now famous 2013 link regarding the “economics” of UK shale, or your selected information regarding inconvenience payments to locals and community around PNR. (We are still awaiting your usage of the 10 times, or 15 times table on that little item!)
And of course, no one noticed the avoidance of the issue of cheap gas and oil in USA, did they Jack?
Oh yes they did.
Wonder what the $6 billion reduction in the Strategic Reserve will be used for now energy security has been achieved? Nothing like the $1 trillion dollars that Norway have built up in their Sovereign Wealth Fund, thanks to oil and gas revenues, but a sizeable sum all the same.
MARTIN ,
How many times have we been through this ?????
FUEL POVERTY ……. WILL NOT be resolved by extracting costly UK shale gas.
In the land of almost ZERO Fracking regulations , the USA . The only thing propping up their shale industry is the endless borrowing of money …. It’s the GREAT US PONZI scheme .
U.S. Oil Companies Face $240 Billion Debt Mountain
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Oil-Companies-Face-240-Billion-Debt-Mountain.amp.html
US Shale Companies Facing “Catastrophic Failure” over Ballooning Debt
http://priceofoil.org/2018/11/05/us-shale-companies-facing-catastrophic-failure-over-ballooning-debt/
ALL that DEBT will end up on the shoulders of the American TAX PAYER .
( 1 ) HOW MARTIN , will expensive, more REGULATED and a more RESTRICTED shale gas industry in the UK ever hope to make it pay ??????
( 2 ) HOW will it help UK fuel poverty ??????
( 3 ) Looking at the huge DEBTS in the USA Fracking industry .. HOW will huge Fracking bankruptcy debts saddled on the shoulders of the UK taxpayer help UK people in Fuel Poverty?????
MARTIN
AS YOU are so concerned about the people in the UK , that are in Fuel Poverty.
Are YOU concerned about their HEALTH ??????
WELL ARE YOU ???????
MARTIN ,
CHECK the LINK dates ……. 2018
JackTL
Yes, it is that scheme I refer to.
It is similar to the Chinese economy, as your point about daisy chains would support.
Are you aware how many people living near fracking sites in the USA are suffering from diseases – mostly cancer, as a direct result of the chemicals used in the process, which poison the air and the water.
Fracking has been banned in many States, who are aware of the consequences, but sadly their polluting shale gas has been delivered to this country. Fossil fuels must be left in the ground, if we are aiming to limit CO2 levels in order to have a future for our young people – greed and profit margins will not feed a world ravaged by galloping climate change. Meanwhile, the race is on for the rich, to find another planet to trash , leaving us poor suckers to fry.
Valerie – are you aware that you’re not qualified to critically appraise the evidence related to the supposed diseases that you wrongly claim result from fracking in the USA. Are you also aware that there are far tighter restrictions on the chemicals used in fracking fluids in the UK than in the USA. The biggest worry for me in the USA is that there are open pits to store produced water and a considerable amount of small chained hydrocarbons are allowed to evaporate in liquid rich plays. However, I’m sure you’re aware that at places PNR the gas will be very dry and there won’t be the release of the same hydrocarbons into the atmosphere. So the question is whether you’re ignorant or purposefully trying to mislead people – it’s one or the other – which is it Valerie?
I can see you have a very open mind, maybe you should watch the films showing the extent of sickness caused by fracking in the U.S.
Valerie, I tend to read academic papers and critically appraise the evidence that they present rather than believe everything one sees on films made by environmental activists who’s main purpose is to discredit the petroleum industry. Also when I read academic papers I made the judgement as to whether the conditions can be applied to the situation in the UK. If I were you I wouldn’t watch Zombie Massacre – it might stop you going out at night.
I just might bump into you..-if your serious, academic qualifications allow you to seek a little humour [edited by moderator]
John P – maybe what you really mean is that the community didn’t want the gas production in their backyard but wanted the gas production in someone else’s. Also, it’s totally fair to say that the main reason people object to the industry is people like you [edited by moderator]. If an oil well was being drilled and the general public wasn’t told what it way they would pay less attention than to a development site such as a new Tesco’s being built
“If an oil well was being drilled and the general public wasn’t told what it was they would pay less attention than to a development site such as a new Tesco’s.”
This is rather like what happened when Cuadrilla attempted to sneak their Preese Hall site in under the radar. The public were unaware of what was going on and LCC’s Planning Department made a delegated decision to allow it with elected Councillors being given no say in the matter. Everyone in blissful ignorance – until they were woken by the earthquakes. I’ve never heard of a Tesco’s development causing earthquakes.
How many people were really woken by the tremor at Preese Hall Pauline? Not many. Maybe you should start reading about ground motion and then compare things such as a 2 ML tremor at 2 km depth, a train passing at a few hundred m’s, a door slamming in the next room. But I guess you’re not very interesting in reading about things that spoil your little narrative are you?
” How many people were really woken by the tremor at Preese Hall?” I was. Until then I knew nothing about fracking. As far as ground motion and comparing tremors to a door slamming in the next room or melons being dropped, I’ve not been woken up by either of those.
Pauline – maybe you don’t live in a house or have been in halls of residence where people slam doors but I can absolutely guarantee you that lots of measurements have been made on this subject and they totally support my argument. Of course, a key difference between those who are for and those who are against fracking is that the former tend to understand and believe science whereas the latter tend to go with their feelings and are sceptical of science
Of course, a key difference between those who are for and those who are against fracking is that the former tend to be extremely patronising thus alienating those who they seek to persuade whereas the latter tend to be more open to trying to understand the issues in the round rather than from a narrow engineering or chemistry perspective.
The fatuousness of your melons and door slamming is demonstrated by the fact that the surface impact measured in the cases of two Jaguar fighters that crashed at Stock Hill and St Abbs Head generated seismic readings of 0.1 Ml and 0.6-0.8 Ml respectively. Surely you are no going to claim that the largest tremor at PNR recently (1.5 Ml) was the equivalent of a few Jaguar fighters crashing into PNR at the same time Judith?
Anyone trying to equate a 1.5 event (such as was experienced in December in Blackpool) with a honeydew melon falling to the floor, or a 2 Ml event with a door slamming or a train passing at a distance is not being exactly straight with their audience. Issues of location (closeness to the well bore), strength and ground conditions render such facile comparisons useless. In fact worse, they make those dispensing them look extremely untrustworthy.
Perhaps we should start from the facts that two tremors of 1.5 Ml and 2.3 Ml caused the steel well bore at Preese Hall to be deformed over a length of 160 ft.
Of course your Liverpool university scientists would have us believe they were were the equivalent of dropping a large bag of shopping and – oh they didn’t provide a silly comparison for a 2.3 Ml did they – Well lets say a fracking PR guru falling out of a chair then.
Surely you are not seriously bringing slamming doors and trains passing at 200 metres into this discussion and expecting us to take you seriously are you Judith? I thought you pretended to be all about the science. Dear me.
Refraction – I’m not the slightest bit interested in trying to convince people like you that shale gas production is a good thing. Every survey that I’ve seen has shown that’s an impossible task; your mind was made up a long time ago and nothing will change it.
I really don’t understand your point about two jets crashing has to do with the argument. My argument is based on amplitude of ground motion that Pauline is likely to have experienced as a result of the Preese Hall tremor. To give you a few examples:-
Threshold for damage to plaster = 50 mm/s-i
600 x 600 m vertical fracture causing a 3.6 ML earthquake at 2.5 km = 50 mms-1
Slamming a door = 13 mm/s-1
OAG limit of 0.5 ML at 2.5 km = 0.4 mms-1
Lorry at a distance of 8m = 2 mms-1
The fact that a borehole was deformed at depth is irrelevant – this happens very regularly but doesn’t cause wells to leak. Clearly, you are trying to scare people by arguing that surface effects that are barely detectable by humans (like a melon dropping in your kitchen) can cause wells to leak and endanger the environment – they can’t.
It would be interesting if you could find good examples of where earthquakes have caused wells to deform at great depth and this has resulted in the leakage of hydrocarbons to the surface. I won’t hold me breath.
“I’m not the slightest bit interested in trying to convince people like you that shale gas production is a good thing.”
Well how hilarious that you should waste so much time on here telling us all how stupid we are.
Thank you for reinforcing the point I was making that the Richter scale measurement of a melon dropping on the floor, or Pauline hearing a door slam has bugger all to do with the potential impact of seismic activity on the well bore 2 km down though.
Refraction – thank you for confirming that there is no evidence that earthquakes cause wells to leak
Are you guaranteeing that they won’t Judit? I mean we have 100% record of tremors happening with UK fracking, so it is something we are reasonably concerned by, and they did deform the casing last time.
Refracktion – why do you make it sound as a surprise that there is 100% record of tremors associated with fracking? Are you suggesting that there are ever fractures that form without eleasing elastic strain energy.
Are you really worried about earthquakes causing wells to leak or just saying that to scare the gullible?
Ah Judith – keep straining your elastic. You are convincing nobody here 😀
We don’t need to scaremongering – you guys do it for us
Judith. You say maybe I don’ t have experience of living in a house or halls of residence where there are slamming doors that you liken to the Preese Hal earthquake that I felt in 2011. I grant you maybe I would be woken by someone slamming a door in my own house but that would be close by me. Preese Hal is over 6 miles away as the crow flies. I can assure you I’ve never been woken by anyone slamming a door 6 miles away – or dropping a melon.
John
I think that the Lincolnshire oil industry has benefitted our community.
Some agree with me.
Some here disagree, but not many.
Some are also anti wind farm, solar farm, house building and Tourist clap trap ( a term which is new to me but there you go ). Proximity seems the key issue.
Peter – so on one hand you’re arguing that the drones showed that no gas was being produced and then on the other hand you seem to be scaring people about the carcegenic gases being released – you really cant have it both ways. Also, have you not seen the analysis of the produced water yet? Not toxic really – a similar composition to the streams coming off the hills. Anyhow, won’t keep you any longer – I’m sure you have lots of other scaremongary to finish before it’s your bed time
No point having a ‘liaison group’ if it’s populated with people who are only allowed to agree with Egton.
Why would anyone have a problem with agreeing to the following?
The document required members to sign an undertaking:
“Not to incite violence or protest which disrupts the operation of the group or endangers the operation of the site or its personnel.”
Paul Tresco
Maybe the term ‘ disrupt’ needed looking at. If it’s ok to disrupt the operation, then it’s ok to disrupt the protest? Quid pro quo?
Because Paul it all comes down to legal interpretation, there are degrees of disruption and one could find oneself causing some form of disruption whilst participating in perfectly lawful protest. On what basis should the company be empowered to judge and enforce this? Legally I think the farmer was wise not to sign and that the company has demonstrated incredibly poor judgement in conducting community liaison in this manner.
“I think the farmer was wise not to sign and that the company has demonstrated incredibly poor judgement in conducting community liaison in this manner” 👏👏👏 KatT
“people who haven’t a clue what they are protesting about” there she goes again – Green Judith just can’t help herself helping the antifrackers.. 😉
Except, Egdon are not fracking, Reaction.
Perhaps a need for a little excursion in the 3 litre diesel BMW to Biscathorpe to check out where your diesel may come from? (Maybe the lady farmer will get some red diesel from the same source?)
Then you could draw a little Chad, looking over a crumbling wall, with “I wos there” underneath.
Doh Marton! Green Judith was referring specifically to PNR when she said that. Maybe you should read what people actually write before being so sharp that you cut yourself (for the umpteenth time)?
Mind you they are not fracking there either are they?
Paul Tresco. If events at PNR are anything to go by, the police have been disrupting people’s Human Right to peaceful protest for the last two years.
No they haven’t – the police and PNR have been protecting peoples right to work and run a perfectly lawful business away from the harassment from people who haven’t a clue what they are protesting about
If you’d seen the behaviour of some of the police, you wouldn’t be saying that. If you knew the protestors I know, you wouldn’t be so rude about them, either. Go blow your dog whistle elsewhere.
You’ve been at PNR for the last two years then have you Judith? Police action at PNR is totally disproportionate It is deliberately aimed at deterring and preventing peaceful protest and goes way beyond even handed policing.
Pauline – I have been to PNR several times and been held up in traffic due to protesters. My view is that the police aren’t firm enough – I’d have no objections seeing them go in with tear gas
Tear gas. Oh very dear. Mind you it would be a change to see any gas at PNR eh Judith?
Refraction – not according to Peter Roberts – at PNR that is a Schrodinger well – it doesn’t produce gas but at the same time it produces “carcegenic gas”
Schrödinger’s well – that’s a good one Green Judith. An excellent image there – The well at PNR somehow exists in two states simultaneously – it flares gas but produces none. A paradox? No, not really, more of a PR construct isn’t it?
I agree with the tear gas aka Judith. France knows how to deal with “human rights”. China even better. The Gulf….. You lot are lucky that the Police don’t enforce the law. Your Ribble Valley JP tells us all that shale gas will never be economic in the UK and we should stick with the North Sea plus imports (same pollution, higher fugitive emissions, etc etc – perhaps he is worried about his house price like Reaction), and you continue to protest and disrupt a legitimate business? Why bother? Stop protesting, Police leave, traffic moves normally, shale company drills and tests well, uneconomic, site restored, company leaves / goes bust.
A simple question which none of the antis seem to be able to answer – what are you worried about?
For Pauline but looking forward to any meaningful response….
Seems perfectly reasonable. Why would a community group want members who would limit what the company would discuss and share with the group?
A win/win. Those in the community who are willing to be open minded get the best out of the group, those who have already closed their minds can get on and do their own thing-which probably involves turning up their heating at the moment.
” Those in the community who are willing to be open minded get the best out of the group.” I have yet to see any evidence of the industry being open minded. Their attitude seems to be “like it or lump it.”
Surely a Community Liason Group should be representative of the whole community. Barring people from the CLG simply because they may protest, is pre judging an action before it’s even occurred. It’s up to the judicial system to decide if an action is lawful or not.
You mean like the £100k paid (or is £200k now) into the Community Fund by Cuadrilla to compensate for inconvenience from PNR? Looks pretty open minded to me Pauline.
How open minded have you antis been to compensating locals around PNR for the inconvenience you have caused?
Pretty good at crowd funding lost causes of your own, but not that open minded regarding others. Looks like “like it or lump it” to me.
Once again, Martin, it comes down to money with you. How far do you think the £100k has gone towards the £9 million for provision of the private army of car park attendants for Cuadrilla? As far as locals being inconvenienced, judging by the amount of public support for the protectors from passing motorists and other locals, it’s made obvious to us that they’re not stupid. They realise it’s the police and Cuadrilla who are causing most inconvenience.
Actually, it came down to money for many PNR locals Pauline. Those who would not accept the “blood money”, but did so. Your public support seems to be a bit like the fog loved by the antis-very patchy in reality.
Yes MARTIN ,
For 90% of affected residents they were offered the life changing £150
HA HA HA , yes I did say £150 .
Let’s see PROOF MARTIN, as to how many PNR residents accepted and cashed these whopping cheques .
HA HA indeed Jack.
And then multiply by 10 or 15, and do the same for those who received a larger figure, and then take the £100k Community Fund and multiply by 10 or 15.
Not bad for starters.
How much paid out by the antis to the local community for disruption?
How many Jack? The majority.
A small minority did not.
Already discussed on this site and elsewhere Jack. Find your own link.
Just about sums up the whole anti cause. Confirmed in above text “everyone else signed”.
Here is another laugh MARTIN,
If you lived so close to the Fracking site that you can taste the toxic chemicals on your breakfast toast in the morning .
You lived within a 1000 metres of the well site.
You were offered the life changing amount of £ 2070.
HAHAHA
BUT wait consider your health, consider your home devaluation and consider your refusal or heavily increased buildings insurance.
ARE YOU STILL LAUGHING ??????
MARTIN ,
PLEASE explain more, your imaginary numbers used in your above post .
10 and 15
MORE importantly let’s see the EVIDENCE to support these numbers .
OR are you MARTIN just plucking figures out of thin air ??????
EVIDENCE and LINKS …….. PLEASE .
Jack-you need to expand your reading a bit further. Try DoD to start with.
Recent discussion and confirmation regarding numbers of wells at PNR from Cuadrilla. When pushed-10-15 was the answer. Recently reported by Ruth.
By the way, just to add a further bit of enlightenment to your world, just read the new head of the NT splits her time between her office in Swindon and her home in N.ireland!! Would this be the same organisation who wishes to see fossil fuel kept in the ground? Oops.
MARTIN,
Time for the evidence, PLEASE.
YOU show all the readers, living in the PNR area , here and now, PROOF of the future windfalls ….. guaranteed payments.
NOT JUST the waving a carrot at the end of stick for a dumb donkey.
That’s the problems you see MARTIN , switched on people will know that the offers of fabulous payments always come with an endless amount of strings and are always , “somewhere over the rainbow ”
SHOW US THE PROOF MARTIN, LINKS PLEASE.
Let the fox in with the chickens. Why not? To not do so is pre judging an action before it’s even occurred.
The fox was let in by the government Merton. Keep up.
Ahh, that darned government, who has a responsibility to enable energy security. Good for them. Such a joined up policy-ban fox hunting then more to let in.
Just off to walk the dog in the snow. Central heating on overnight, thermostat turned up this am. Solar farm down the road producing ZERO.
Send in the foxes, Claire- otherwise we will be buying from the Bear again.
Just off to walk the dog in the snow too Merton. Turned the heating off overnight as we have things called duvets. Fracking site down the road producing ZERO judging from the lack of flaring and no prospect of it feeding much if any gas into any grid in the foreseeable future.
The foxes are quite useless and Claire knows it, but fortunately for her she has read the governments’ own reports on energy security and knows that UK fracked gas is not needed anyway.
And how much extra energy do you then use the following morning to heat the framework of the house again Reaction?
Yes, I know that depends on a lot of factors, but when there is a high degree of wind chill my own monitoring shows it is more efficient to turn the thermostat down to around 15C overnight but to keep the heating on. Also helps the energy suppliers in the morning as my boiler not gulping gas when many others are, and prevents any expensive call upon the plumbers.
But, if you want to really compensate for your diesel, a helpful hint. Boil a large kettle first thing, utilising two medium sized thermos flasks (made in UK-or close), fill those two flasks and hey presto, no need to boil the kettle again during the day but use the water from the flasks for hot drinks. Next day, repeat.
Good job the fracking sites in USA are feeding loads of gas and oil into their system-cheaply. Do-ers, rather than don’t-ers.
The collywibble is strong this morning Merton.
Strong, warm and cosy, reaction. Thank you Claire.
“Everyone else signed. But I said ‘I am not’.” – Just goes to show that the protesters really are a minority.
“It was suggested to me that I was not really welcome any more. I was told it was not appropriate for me to be there.” – Yep, the majority of people want the protesters to go away.
Well done Egdon for standing up for their rights.
I’m quite disturbed that only one person objected to such a flagrant abuse of human rights. Every meeting needs someone who will stand up and ask awkward questions. Many protestors know far more than the average person about what’s going on and don’t swallow the easy ‘apple-pie, everything’s fine’ comments. Community liaison? What a joke.
Pat, given that the anti-frackers also have a propensity to be anti GM foods, vaccinations, fluoride in water, and think that chemtrails are real and that radioactive waste is likely to be dumped in old wells, I’m 100% sure that their understanding of science would suggest that they know far less than the average person
Green Judith – there is a pretty good chance that radioactive waste will be left in every fracked well. It’s almost a certainty if the returned fluid has similar constituents as the waste at Preese Hall in fact.
Whether the EA will permit the disposal of radioactive flowback fluid (waste) into the same formation in old wells or wells drilled specifically as disposal wells in future is open to question but only a fool would dismiss that possibility out of hand.
I think you maybe getting over-excited about the concerns (that I don’t agree with btw) that nuclear waste from power stations will be disposed of in spent fracking wells.
Pretty good chance? As good a chance (certainty) as in the Trough of Bowland and the UU catchment area where the Bowland Shale outcrops. Don’t drink the UU water…..
So you’ve measured the UU water and found it has the same characteristics as the Preese Hall flowback Paul? Really? I thought better of you than this. Has Green Judith infected you so quickly with her unscientific disdain for anyone with a contrary opinion?
Pauls point about water in the catchment area is perfectly valid. The chemical reactions that occur when a fracking fluid interacts with a shale are no different to when rain water interacts with a shale. The rock fluid ratio is greater in the case of the fracking fluid so the final fluid will contain a higher concentration of solutes; the fundamental mineral-fluid reactions are identical.
He didn’t answer the question and neither did you
Refraction – the flow back water contains small amounts of NORM that is dissolved from the shale. The small amounts present in the flow back water mean that there is very slightly less NORM in the subsurface than before. I had a meeting with the company who deals with the flow back water and they are loving the contract – it’s far far cleaner than most other waste that they deal with. There is no way that flow back water is going to be pumped into disposal wells in PNR – again you are trying to scare people. The environmental impact statement, written by ARUP for Cuadrilla clearly states what will happen with the flow back water. Guess what – that is exactly what has happened with the flow back water
No Judih – not trying to scare people just correcting your inaccurate blanket dismissal. You’re welcome.
Just pointing out what might happen under existing regulation (and not necessarily at PNR), hence my framing it as open to question rather than certainty. Nuance isn’t really your thing is it?
Judith. “There is no way that flow back water is going to be pumped into disposal wells at PNR.” No way is a very big statement. For six years we were told the TLS was the Gold Standard to ensure no more occurrences such as that at Preese Hall. Cuadrilla were complicit in the plan. Yet after just one well incompletely fracked and with reduced pressure, the TLS has proved so burdensome that the frackers have been running to the government and the media crying that we’ll all be doomed unless the level is lifted. These Gold Standard assurances are becoming very tarnished already.
Mind you Jdith this is interesting isn’t it?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2019/01/31/can-we-drill-a-hole-deep-enough-for-our-nuclear-waste/amp/