Police chief welcomes government cash for anti-fracking protests

10th Mar 2017 (20 police line up)

Police outside Cuadrilla’s Preston New Road site near Blackpool, 10 March 2017.

The government is to provide £4.3m towards the cost of policing anti-fracking protests outside Cuadrilla’s shale gas site, Lancashire’s police and crime commissioner confirmed this afternoon.

Clive Grunshaw said the cost of Operation Manilla outside the Preston New Road site near Blackpool, will have reached nearly £11.5m by the end of March 2019.

Last year, the government gave Lancashire £1.4m, the minimum allowed under Home Office rules.

But in a letter yesterday, the policing minister Nick Hurd said the government had decided to waive the rules on the Special Grant repayments. He said this was because the operation, which began in January 2017, was ongoing and was having a “significant financial impact” on Lancashire Police.

Mr Grunshaw said:

“This is a real victory for the people of Lancashire.

“Whilst the grant doesn’t cover the full costs of the operation, it is a huge contribution and will make a significant difference, recovering what we have already spent.

“I have always maintained that the police budget, from which we’ve already saved £86m since 2010, should be spent on policing services to keep people safe. This is not extra money but will lessen the burden on the force.

“This is a resource demand which is not likely to leave Lancashire any time soon. Protests are still ongoing and are expected to escalate as we enter spring and summer and officers on the ground continue to do a very difficult job under intense pressure and scrutiny.

“The decision to frack in our county was borne in Whitehall after the judgement made by Lancashire County Council was overturned. The expectation on Lancashire Constabulary to cover the costs of this decision was not a fair deal so I am pleased this has been recognised and additional costs for this operation are being met.”

Under Home Office rules, police and crime commissioners can claim only for the additional costs of a police operation. These comprise costs such as overtime and mutual aid from other forces.

Claims can be made only when the operation costs exceed 1% of the annual police force budget. But the government has waived this rule, Mr Grunshaw said.

The additional costs for the Lancashire operation amount to £6.8m. The payment from the government is made up of a special grant of £2.3m for 2018-2019. This represents 85 per cent of the total additional costs.

An additional £2m has also been given towards the 2017/18 costs. This makes the total grant received for the operation £5.8m. A further application will be considered for the financial year 2019-20.

As part of Operation Manilla, Lancashire Police have recorded 435 arrests and 429 charges up to December 2018. There is no police data on the number of convictions arising from arrests and charges at Preston New Road.


95 replies »

  1. The visible protesting is all about raising public awareness about the dangers to their health and happiness wherever fracking attempts to infiltrate Communities.
    Very successful so far I would say what with swarms of earthquakes and cold venting of toxic gases etc.

      • WRONG JUDITH , the dangers of Fracking are clear and present. Shall we go through my long, LONG list ???

        In the past, I’ve presented you with many forms of evidence that clearly warn about the dangers of Fracking from professional organisations/people ( LINKS ) .

        Your reply has always been feeble .

        It has only ever been your OPPINION, backed up with SWEET NOTHING .

        As far as your academic qualifications go , for all we know you may have achieved nothing more than your own mobile Hotdog stand on Blackpool pier ….

        • “For all we know”.

          Well, Jack, for someone who seems to know very little about day to day issues within the UK, who selects from DoD but seems to be unaware of the rest of the reports, and thinks Giggle equals knowledge, all we know may be a comfort but it may be somewhat limited.

          How about adding Country Life comment about the NT (Country Life Jack is a magazine written and read by rural dwellers in the UK, including many land owners.)

          “Spare us the dad-dancing efforts (of the NT) to make itself look relevant and hip”

          Or, I can offer you the little nugget that Shell delivers very nearly £1 in every £8 distributed to British shareholders, a total of £11.7 BILLION last year. Stands at the top of the list with BP number 3.
          Much of that income distributed via pension funds. So, Jack, lets have your ideas how that may be replaced.

          Tesla? Dividends, after 15 years? ZILCH, NOTHING.

          Swansea Lagoon? “If it works we plan to build a bigger one”! Not a glowing endorsement.

          For all we know. Well, we know that man made climate change is being largely influenced by rapid population growth and rapid industrialisation of large parts of the globe that were previously not densely populated and not industrialised. How about addressing the real issue rather than looking for a fig leaf?

          • HAHA MARTIN ,

            Another one who only gives an OPINION

            NEVER, NEVER any evidence .

            I don’t pretend to have all the answers , that’s why I always back up what I SAY from professional bodies of people in the form of LINKS .

            WHY DON’T YOU ???? Hmmmm very strange

            COSTLY UK SHALE will only leave HUGE UK DEBTS …… JUST look to the USA MARTIN , it’s all there .

            • Really Jack?

              Strange that. I provided you with several pieces of evidence in my previous post. Factual.

              You, in your post of 1.21pm provided NO EVIDENCE, one piece of SPECULATION about the economics of UK shale, and a SUGGESTION that the very successful shale industry in the USA would be the way UK shale would develop!!

              I can quite understand your approach. It’s termed Emperors New Clothes. Nothing there, Jack.

              Better find a fig leaf.

          • MARTIN ,

            TESLA , is not destroying the environment, air pollution, water pollution, leaving a toxic legacy for future generations .

            TESLA, is not giving people ill health

            TESLA, Is not releasing highly potent greenhouse gases ( methane ) in to the atmosphere…. Greenhouse gases that are now as we speak causing extreme climate change .

            How bad is Methane for climate change ?????? Here is the answer from the NASA space agency , taken from the LINK below……. ” Over a 20-year period, one ton of methane has a global warming potential that is 84 to 87 times greater than carbon dioxide. ”


            • Does anyone in here have a clue what MARTIN is talking about.

              We do have some clues to go on, Country Life , Times and Cobolt and conference calls.

              MARTIN is making comments, but refusing to tell the readers what he is talking about …. Then he refuses to supply any evidence .

              Ladies and Gentleman ,who do you think has a problem with the English language ,????

              PLEASE MARTIN , again I ask , what are you talking about regarding the National Trust ???????
              Also please supply some fact based evidence ( LINKS ) to back up any comments you make .

            • So that stops the kids in DRC getting cancer does it John?? Don’t think so, because Tesla want to increase volumes to try and make a profit.

              And how about the marine mining as cobalt starts to become difficult to obtain on land? Will make plastic in the ocean look insignificant.

              “Clean” energy?? Nope.

          • MARTIN ,

            STOP talking in riddles regarding the National Trust . All the readers would fully like to know what on earth you are talking about .

            Whatever you say , let’s also see your indisputable evidence, LINKS PLEASE to back up your comments .

            OR I you just plucking words out of the air ????

            • People in UK know what I am talking about because they can access the references I provide.

              You seem to have a problem with that Jack, and have to rely upon Internet links. Why would that be?

              Interesting though that you think you speak for all the readers. You do not, so maybe they have an understanding you do not?

              You also need to find out a little more about battery manufacture and disposal. When did cobalt stop being a carcinogen? All the readers may not know about that, but many will.
              You may realise some of your claims are based upon ignorance not fact if you do some wider research.

            • MARTIN , how do you know that people in the UK know what you are talking about?????

              Don’t tell me you know them all .

              Explain please

            • I know some do, Jack. Because I have conversations with some, and they respond in a way that proves it.

              Some recognise what is discussed around the NT because they read Country Life, and agree with comments within. Others read the Times and agree with comments within. Others can easily check out some science regarding cobalt and have the same concerns as my last employer who banned it, and we discussed that multiple times to look at how to do that and it’s implications if we did or did not. We all agreed to ban it, and inform all customers why, whilst all competitors refused to do so. I was there when the conference calls were ongoing with competitors and they utilised exactly the same technique as you do, selecting “evidence”, but not proving anything.

              You seem to have a strange weakness with English.

              I don’t need to know everyone. It was you who said you were speaking on behalf of everyone.

              But that’s what antis do.

              Remember that everyone would refuse to accept Cuadrilla blood money?!

          • FRACKING IN THE USA has a $240 BILLION debt mountain and thats in the land of almost ZERO Fracking regulations.

            Who do you think will pick up the tab for that MARTIN ???????
            Answer ……. The good old American tax payer .

            You talk about SHELL OIL delivering great dividends to share holders …….. So YOUR great idea is to continue fleecing Shale Gas share holders ( IGAS ) and saddle the British Tax Payer with £100 BILLUONS if debt like in the USA is it ??????



            • Most industries have debt Jack. (UK INC. has a pretty big one.) Your answer is the nonsense. There may be a tab for BAD DEBT-that is completely different. You even compound it by trying to imply IGAS share holders will be saddled with £ billions in debt! Ermm-how? As all shareholders they may make money, they may lose money, they will not be saddled with debt.

              But, as the UK is likely to feature INEOS as the largest shale player, who has no shareholders other than the owners, your proposition is even more nonsensical.

              Can’t see it catching on Jack? Hasn’t done so in USA, has it?

              Seem to remember the same being said about Rock & Roll!

              JUMPING JACK FLASH.

              It’s a gas, gas, gas!

              See-it’s all there, if you DYOR.

        • It’s a bit like MCfly’s rants isn’t it (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). I mean when MC started ranting on about that dodgy “flat earther” organisation Global Warming Policy Foundation in another post, it revealed they are based on illiterate pseudo-scientific BS. Its previous chair claimed some self-appointed authority on climate science with zero qualifications in that subject, Then the dodgy, secretive funding to promote the neoliberal elite’s agenda tells you all you need to know: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jan/20/global-warming-policy-foundation-donors?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

          I wonder is there a “scientific” qualification for pro-fracking PR disasters?

    • Well well, good morning ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, its Sunday again, the first Sunday in February 2019 and it is the fifteenth Sunday since fracking was supposed to have produced all that promised natural gas that seems to have evapourated with a brief flash of calor gas in the pan.

      But what do we see from the frackers, the anti anti PR hotdeskers that still have a job? Is it a scientific examination of what went wrong and why their own agreed TLS limits has become their own epitath? We saw an attempt to “reframe” the conditions of the TLS by two scientists “opinion” that the TLS could be interfered with, presumably on the promise of university and organisation funding and one assumes some personal attachment to the industry.

      But still nothing, and the government who usually roll over a play dead as soon as the industry run hard hat in hand to them appear to have other problems on their hands with bottled brexit debacle blowing up in their faces and showing them up to be incompetent fools we always knew they were.

      So no go there, maybe the promises of martial law due to the bottled brexit debacle will allow them to sneak under the duvet and quietly free the industry from their own bonds? That old government tenet, never let a good disaster go to waste, sneak as much under the cover as possible and hope everyone is too concerned with other things to notice? But we notice don’t we boys and girls?
      Oh yes we do!

      So we get all these screams of frack rage and plain as day slander and bitter bile blaming everyone but themselves for their own fossil fuel foolishness.

      And then we get this news that people are being forced to sign a non protest agreement if they want to be a member of the community liaison group:

      Apologies for the cut and paste:

      “An oil company has banned members of a community information group from taking part in protests about its exploration site.
      Egdon Resources formed a community liaison group for people living around its well at Biscathorpe, near Louth, in Lincolnshire.
      But before the first meeting members were, unusually, asked to sign “terms of reference”, including an undertaking that they would not protest about the site.
      One local farmer who refused to sign has been told she can no longer attend the group.
      Community liaison groups (CLGs) have been established to share information about recent activity at several oil and gas sites in Lancashire, Nottinghamshire and West Sussex, sometimes as a condition of the planning permission.
      None of the members of these CLGs contacted by DrillOrDrop have been asked to sign anything similar to the Egdon Resources “terms of reference” document.
      The CLG for Cuadrilla’s Preston New Road site near Blackpool has several regular protesters among its participants. A member of the Misson Springs CLG for an IGas site in Nottinghamshire is an active protester. Participants of the Tinker Lane CLG, for another IGas site in Nottinghamshire, include both opponents and supporters of shale gas.
      Usually, the terms of reference are drawn up by the group members or by a local authority. At the Misson Springs CLG, the terms were prepared by Nottinghamshire County Council as part of a section 106 planning agreement.”

      It appears that Egdon Resources have attempted to overturn and contravene the Human Rights Act, however it is interesting to note that Human Rights are a given, they cannot be bought, sold, transferred, withdrawn, overruled by governments or corporations, contravened altered rewritten, taken away, or signed away.

      The conditions and the rights remain in place and attempts to force people to sign them away contravene the very act itself.

      And hence the so called signed agreement is just so much spin and hot air, just like everything these operators do and pretend it has any actual validity whatsoever.

      Interesting isnt it?

      • So, what to do today to express all this in a song?
        This is from “Animals” by Pink Floyd, slightly altered to suit the situation and renamed to:

        Pink Freud
        Rigs on the Weald (Part One)

        If you didn’t care what happened to me,
        And I didn’t care for you,
        We would zig zag our way through the boredom and pain
        Occasionally glancing up through the rain.
        Wondering which of the frackers to blame
        And watching….
        For Rigs on the Weald.


        You gotta be crazy, you gotta have a real need.
        You gotta sleep on your toes, and when you’re on the street,
        You gotta be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed.
        And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight,
        You gotta be kidding when the moment is right without thinking.

        And after a while, you can work on points for style.

        Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
        A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.
        You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
        So that when they turn their backs on you,
        You’ll get the chance to slip the drill in.

        You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder.

        You know it’s going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you get older.

        And in the end you’ll pack up and fly tax haven south,
        Hide your head in the sand,
        Just another sad old man,
        All alone and dying of cancer.

        And when you lose control, you’ll reap the harvest you have sown.
        And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone.
        And it’s too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw
        So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone,
        Dragged down by the stone.

        I gotta admit that I’m a little bit confused.
        Sometimes it seems to me as if I’m just being used.
        Gotta stay awake, gotta try and shake off this creeping malaise.
        If I don’t stand my own ground, how can I find my way out of this maze?

        Deaf, dumb, and blind, you just keep on pretending
        That everyone’s expendable and no-one has a real friend.
        And it seems to you the thing to do would be to isolate the winner
        And everything’s done under the sun,
        And you believe at heart, everyone’s a driller.

        Who was born in a house full of pain.
        Who was trained not to spit in the fan.
        Who was told what to do by the man.
        Who was broken by trained personnel.
        Who was fitted with collar and chain.
        Who was given a pat on the back.
        Who was breaking away from the pack.
        Who was only a stranger at home.
        Who was ground down in the end.
        Who was found dead on the phone.
        Who was dragged down by the stone.

        Rigs (Three Different Ones)

        Big man, Rig man, ha ha charade you are.
        You well heeled big wheel, ha ha charade you are.
        And when your hand is on your heart,
        You’re nearly a good laugh,
        Almost a joker,
        With your head down in the Rig bin,
        Saying “Keep on drilling.”
        Rig stain on your fat chin.
        What do you hope to find.
        When you’re down in the Rig mine.
        You’re nearly a laugh,
        You’re nearly a laugh
        But you’re really a cry.

        flat-cat fat-cat frack-hat , ha ha charade you are.
        You freaked out old wag, ha ha charade you are.
        You radiate cold shafts of broken glass.
        You’re nearly a good laugh,
        Almost worth a quick grin.
        You like the feel of steel,
        You’re hot stuff with a quick spin,
        And good fun with a frack gun.
        You’re nearly a laugh,
        You’re nearly a laugh
        But you’re really a cry.

        Hey you, Court-House, Jail-House,
        Ha ha charade you are.
        You Hot-House Pent-House,
        Ha ha charade you are
        You’re trying to keep our feelings off the street.
        You’re nearly a real treat,
        All tight lips and cold feet
        And do you feel abused?

        …..! …..! …..! …..!

        You gotta stem the evil tide,
        And keep it all on the inside.
        May be you’re nearly a treat,
        May be you’re nearly a treat
        But you’re really a cry….

        Harmlessly passing your time in the gasland away;
        Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air.
        You better watch out,
        There may be derogs about
        We’ve looked at the science,
        And we have seen
        The frackers lie the louder they scream.

        What do you get for pretending the danger’s not real.
        Meek and obedient you follow the leader
        Down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel.
        What a surprise!
        A look of terminal shock in your eyes.
        Now things are really what they seem.
        No, this is no bad dream.

        The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want
        He makes me down to lie
        Through pastures green He leadeth me the silent waters by.
        With bright knives He releaseth my soul.
        He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places.
        He converteth me to lamb cutlets,
        For lo, He hath great power, and great hunger.
        When cometh the day we lowly ones,
        Through quiet reflection, and great dedication
        Master the art of illuminate,
        Lo, we shall rise up,
        And then we’ll make the fracker’s eyes water.

        Bleating and babbling we fell on their neck with a scream.
        Wave upon wave of offended avengers
        March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.

        Have you heard the news?
        The derogs are dead!
        You better stay home
        And do as you’re told.
        Get out of the Weald if you want to grow old.

        Rigs on the Weald (Part Two)

        You know that I care what happens to you,
        And I know that you care
        For me.

        So I don’t feel alone,
        Or the weight of the stone,
        Now that I’ve found somewhere safe

        To bury your bone.

        And any fool knows a Derog needs a home,

        A shelter from Rigs on the Weald.

        Have a good frack free Sunday with family and friends and if you chose to glance at the bitter bile and frustration frack rage of the anti anti PR hotdeskers, for that is all they are, just remember that these fossil fuel fools are the very ones who seek to rule your future and that of your children and future generations.
        If you think for one second, that any of those who post here and their handlers are suitable candidates for present and future dictators, then perhaps just roll over and play dead for them, for you, that will be the assumed position from now on.
        The rest of us have no such intention.

        Have a Nice Day.

        • Oh yes, and this gift from the government for the police to act mob handed towards the people who pay their salaries whilst totally ignoring burglaries and assaults on them, only proves that now the government has revealed their hand and is protecting private industry and not the public anymore.

          You try getting 70 policemen and women to protect your home or your children or your community against exploiting invaders intent on destroying your peaceful and quiet neighbourhoods.

          Perhaps we should demand a similar amount to be given to the local police in the area to protect us? Then when our elderly and disabled are thrown to the floor and wrestled to the ground, we can call out our own government funded police to protect us?

          Set one against the other.

          Seems fair.

            • You must have a very boring life if PhilC’s Sunday drivel is your highlight? You are probably the only person that reads it Sherwulfe?

            • Looks like its Sourpuss Sunday for the anti anti PR hotdeskers doesnt it Sherwulfe?
              Perhaps its because they trot out such a lot of arrant drivel during the rest of the week that they can no longer discern anything other than their own empty frustrated rhetoric anymore?
              A Senseofhumourectomy seems to be “de rigger” these days?
              Twas ever thus……

  2. So Judith the banning of fracking in multiple regions of the world due to swarms of earthquakes, drinking water pollution, toxic gas emissions and so on are all based on propaganda as are the perils of deadly climate change?
    Seriously you cannot be serious about these opinions which are contrary to accepted scientific research?

    • Peter, fracking has never been banned for those reasons. Every time there is a restriction on fracking it’s solely due to governments trying to increase their popularity by giving into the silly claims of people who don’t understand the science. You claim that my views are against science yet there are hardly any people who have qualifications in geoscience and engineering who think there are serious safety issues. Could you give people a realistic mechanism how fracking at PNR can pollute drinking water. Can you show me examples where tremors caused by fracking have caused damage to property, injury, death or even a we’ll to leak. I won’t hold my breath.

      • Again Judith, simply click on List of the Harmed or talk to residents of the Fylde where damage to property was indeed caused by the initial Seismic Testing.
        No damage to surface properties caused by fracking yet, low pressure yet enough to get the process halted. Nobody knows what underground damage to environment or utilities yet.

        • Again Peter – the List of the Harmed is not worth the paper that it’s written on – it is not evidence-based. It’s essentially a load of people trying to blame their illnesses on something. If you knew anything about evidence-based practice in medicine you wouldn’t keep quoting that rubbish

  3. All the the anti frackers need is a bad flow rate from Cuadrilla, which doesn’t look like it will, and it is all over. They even cheated by showing a video of burning Calor gas and pretend it produced gas from fracked shale. It was quite a desperate act.

  4. Depends on the why, if that was the outcome, TW.

    Anti frackers would be excited-but, that doesn’t take much. In terms of “all over” I don’t see why. Testing is a process, not a one off.

  5. See what I mean TW. One is already exciting him/herself.

    However, no wind here today, so no energy from turbines. Better scrap the lot. The system obviously doesn’t work, and as for the other 364 days not worth waiting to see if the process may work given other conditions, or other venues.

    (I hope you never bowled at cricket Sherwulfe. Keep softly lobbing up the ball and there it goes, over the boundary.)

    • Ahh yes Marty; the expert man/woman who knows where the wind blows….probably down in his/her pants!

      Plenty of free energy from the turbine today thanks; the system works perfectly – it’s the ‘rip you off’ fossil fuel system that is broken; investors beware, they are still trying to convince you there is shale gas for the taking. [The only ones taken are you].

      I hope you never batted at cricket Marty; your aim is off by miles……L[otta]B[loody]W[affle]; you’re out 🙂

      • Ahh yes Passepartout. The expert man/woman who knows there is no shale gas for the taking.

        Fossil fuel system that is broken. Hmmm, try that one in a disaster zone as the bulldozers, helicopters, generators, chain saws are rushed in to help those in need. Oh, sorry, you would have to get there first. Electric is out, so Tesla out of action. Need a 3 litre BMW diesel!

  6. “She doesn’t have to live in the north of England without a job’: Britain’s richest man Sir Jim Ratcliffe blasts punk fashion icon Vivienne Westwood over her opposition to fracking


    Neither does Sir Jim have to live in the polluted parts of Northern England .

    Let’s not forget the jobs that were on offer at Cuadrilla PNR site……. 11 , yes 11 and how many of them would of been minimum rates of pay security guard jobs , 7, 8, 9, 10 ?????????

    • DYOR into Sir Jims childhood, Jack. You may find he talks from experience, rather than Giggle. When you have some, give it a try.

      Strange fantasy world you live in where security guard jobs are on minimum rates of pay! If Cuadrilla have managed to achieve that they really are pretty astute-no company I know has managed that.

      Becoming a pattern, Jack. Badly and selectively researched “items” with a link to try and verify what they largely do not. Have you found the reference to 10-15 wells at PNR yet? Suspect not, reality needs to be avoided.

        • Then the answer is NO, Jack.

          Quite simple. But I suspect others will have read the report provided by Ruth.

          Keep re-enforcing the pattern Jack.

          But, as you ignore even what is posted by Ruth, you will probably ignore the coming post around the Ensco 72 rig positioned by Corallian Energy in Poole Bay. Should be interesting, with Nimbys complaining about it. Wonder if it will include that plans for a wind farm two years ago in the same area were thrown out because that too would look an eyesore!

          Should be more exciting than a Tory peer under pressure to resign as chairman of an influential climate change quango after his private company was paid hundreds of thousands of pounds by green businesses. Oops. Not just fossil fuel that tries to lobby/influence politicians.


          BP to report its year results tomorrow. “Failing fossil fuel”, so that will be a disappointment, will it? Don’t think so-“the juicy dividends so beloved of BP shareholders look to be in the bag.” Good job too, as it will help a few pensioners to deal with the energy price cap jump of £100 in April.

  7. I am more interested in country life in the UK, Fifi.

    What’s the going rate for alternative energy to pay, these days? Better ask Lord Deben.

    Or, maybe some of his land owner friends who were gleefully embracing bird mincing wind turbines on their land because they provided a net income of £150k each per annum, even if not producing!

    What was the fine imposed upon Mr. Musk for misleading the markets?

    How much air contamination from wood burning stoves in UK, that now require replacing?

    By the way. How many Pennsylvania farmers reporting how much money they have made out of fracking? Not many, I suspect. The silent majority. But, if you look Fifi, you can find many posts from individuals in the USA who are very happy living with fracking and obtaining benefits to their communities. As always, the contented make less noise (see the Community Liaison regarding Egdon.)

    • Martin – it’s also interesting to ask how many of those making claims were the land owners. I worked on some cases in Texas where people were claiming water pollution from fracking and it was always farmers who rented their land and not the landowners. It seemed very much like these people had seen the gas companies making money and seen the landowners making money and wanted a slice of the action by placing false claims.

      • It just shows how a story can be viewed from all different angles, and news can be “faked” pretty easily, Judith.

        So, we have Ensco 72 rig between Old Harry and the Needles. That’s a no no for some. Is it the same some who campaigned against the wind turbines in the same area a couple of years ago? Ahh, but the chance of a maritime disaster. Hmm-how long have the oil tankers been passing the same spot on the way to Fawley Refinery? Is that better than trucking some from the Weald, or a small pipeline to Hamble, the same as Wytch Farm?

        Not to worry. All that energy to bring in from interconnectors-except capacity margins in Germany, France and Belgium will mean tighter supplies and higher prices in the future.

        Does remind me of a few years ago when a campaign was against development of Dibden Bay, to expand Southampton container port, lead by a local (Lib. Dem!) councillor. Made loads of interventions about the “environment” and then made the mistake of putting his name to another letter referring to Marchwood COAL FIRED Power Station. This was a stand by Power Station sitting next to Fawley Oil Refinery. You can see the obvious flaw in his argument. Don’t think he got re-elected.

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