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“We need to get on with fracking” – Liz Truss

The UK’s shortest serving prime minister has called for a revival of fracking for shale gas.

Liz Truss speaking to the Institute for Government, 18 September 2023.
Photo: Institute for Government

Liz Truss, who led the country for 49 days, was speaking to the Institute for Government this morning, almost a year after her administration lifted the moratorium on fracking in England.

She resigned on 19 October 2022, the day after a chaotic parliamentary vote on fracking.

Her successor, Rishi Sunak, reinstated the moratorium on his second full day in office.

Ms Truss referred three times to fracking in today’s speech. In the conclusion said:

“in the energy sector, we need to get on with fracking and abolish the windfall tax in the housing market”.

Earlier, she defended her removal of the moratorium. She said the biggest constraints to growth in the UK economy had been in energy, housing and the labour market.

She said:

“That’s why we introduced the energy price guarantee, while we worked to open up fracking and the North Sea to make the UK energy independent.”

Ms Truss also said:

“We would have got moving on fracking and lower energy bills would have been on the horizon.”

The link between fracking in the UK and lower energy prices has been widely discounted, including by the former energy secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng, who briefly became Ms Truss’s chancellor.

As prime minister, Ms repeatedly said there must be local consent for fracking operations. But there were no proposals by her administration about what local consent would look like or how it would be gauged. Today’s speech also did not go into detail.

Since Ms Truss resigned, plans have got underway to decommission shale gas wells at Preston New Road, in Lancashire, and Misson, in north Nottinghamshire. Another would-be fracking well, at Kirby Misperton, in North Yorkshire, is now part of a geothermal energy trial.

Other issues

Ms Truss’s speech was also interesting for issues, regarded by the public as important, that she did not mention.

There was no reference to asylum, brexit, crime, education, hospitals and the NHS, immigration, and unemployment. All are key issues tracked by YouGov in regular polling.

Ms Truss made one reference each to: health (the health and social care levy), climate change (2050 climate change target), net zero (net zero legislation), Russia (UK is third after Russia and China for the departure of high wealth individuals), transport (government needs to withdraw from micromanagement in sectors like transport) and defence (the US defence budget).

The speech had 21 references to growth, nine to economy and six to debt. But there were only two references to inflation and family and three to environment (“statist environmental solutions”, US Environment Protection Agency and “environmental regulations which are hiking the cost of living”).

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  1. Strange. There were no references to lemmings in this article.

    Ms. Truss was not speaking to the public. If she was, she might have mentioned fracking more times and where they believe the Windfall Tax comes from that helped pay their energy bills. US fracked gas, processed EXPENSIVELY to LNG and transported across the Atlantic, with contracts in place for many years to come? Nope, not from there.

    I note one of the Labour donors was advocating fracking last week, and Labor in Australia seem to increasingly embrace it. The US Democrats are pretty happy to let it rip, also. Lot of these “regressive” policies about.

  2. MARTIN ,

    It’s been proven without a shadow doubt , that Fracking is a highly toxic , expensive process that greatly increases climate change, destroys the environment, dangerous to human and animal health , devalues homes in Fracking areas and leaves an ongoing toxic financial burden for future generations….

    What sort of a person or animal would think this is OK ??????

    MARTIN , if you dispute anything I’ve said above, please let me know , as I will be delighted to fill this page with factual evidence.

  3. Martin, Fracking (hydraulic fracturing) is a standard drilling production practice which has been used in the North Sea and worldwide thousands of times since the 1970s with no issues whatsoever. None. Bear in mind that we used to use explosives in coal mines, a hydraulic pump at extreme depths is minor in comparison. We have huge reserves of onshore gas beneath our feet, The USA have tapped theirs and as a consequence their gas price is a fraction of ours.

  4. HIGH pressure hydraulic fracking has been proven to toxic and bad in so many ways ….

    In the USA , the EPA have been knee capped financially , you could say that when it comes to implementing health and safety policies , they are like a Lion without teeth . There are a few within the EPA that have tried to make a difference, but it’s been like swimming against the tide

    It’s the Oil and Gas industry that call the shots over there and OH BOY are they getting away with some nasty things .

    • ‘Fracking (hydraulic fracturing) is a standard drilling production practice which has been used in the North Sea and worldwide thousands of times since the 1970s with no issues whatsoever. None. ‘

      Actually

      For years, Cabot Oil & Gas had denied that it was at fault. But a 2010 investigation by the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) concluded that Cabot’s drilling activities contaminated the water supplies of 19 homes on one stretch of Carter Road in Dimock. The agency and Cabot entered into a Consent Order and Settlement Agreement that year that demarcated a nine-mile “box” encompassing the homes in Dimock within which Cabot was no longer allowed to drill going forward.

      http://www.desmog.com/2022/11/30/fracking-coterra-cabot-pleads-case-dimock-water-contamination/

      • John, It’s possible to find horrible examples of things going wrong in almost any industry eg. Construction, mining, aerospace, medical etc but it’s not a good enough reason to shut the whole industry down to the detriment of humanity. Hydraulic fracturing, if done correctly, and monitored to ensure that it’s done correctly, is safe. The benefits could lead to a huge increase in our standard of living and fund new nuclear power stations. We built our first Nuclear Power Station (Calder Hall) in 1956 in less than 4 years. The British Geological Survey estimate that we have between 50 and 300 years of gas beneath our feet.

  5. Graeme:

    Yes, I recognize that reality.

    The other fantasies, peddled as if from some Internet cafe overseas, are just that but then they have problems with a lot of things, too many to mention. There is a record of them-such as 2020 was a “normal” year and the French are so kindly they will fund new UK nuclear to prevent UK taxpayers from having to do so. Add to that,$7 is no different to $47. They also seem to have no concept that property values in UK are dropping dramatically as people are unable to afford to pay for mortgages and high energy bills. Then, “we” are all going to be friends with Russia after the war is over, and accept gas and oil, as “we” are such kindly souls “we” wish to supply the funds for????? Then, there is the occasional post regarding the merits of propaganda. I still have to watch out for carnivorous pigeons and apparently if you are a member of an organization you have to support all of it’s management decisions, even whilst a group of members were campaigning against said organization because of poor management decisions, and still are!

    It is just a good job they are not getting away with nasty things. Thanks to the oil and gas industry they are allowed to try.
    I saw one journalist refer to it as the “sophisticated” use of the Internet by the antis, which rather demeaned the audience from my observation but that is not unusual from journalists. Just watch BBC/Sky for a while.

    They get away with a lot of things in USA, Jack. Such as thousands of forest fires caused by problems with electricity distribution-causing death to humans, loss of property, death to animals, increased risk of cancer etc. etc. Seems they have decided to continue with it, and UK have decided to expand our electricity distribution significantly. The latter is being accepted with open arms?? Nope-those estate agents are stating the property values are dropping like a stone near the intended expansion and schools are having kids moved away! I expect the same arguments will be made for those who will have a nuclear reactor placed nearby and/or an underground nuclear waste facility. Such is life, where whinging is the prime purpose of the Internet for some.

    By the way Jack, there are many animals in USA and UK who rely upon gas heating to allow them to live, and fossil fuels to produce the fertilizer to enable them to eat and grow. Heating and eating may not concern you, but it may be important to many.

    • 🤣 MARTIN , your response , what a great big pile of steaming Collywaffle . Once again only churning out an ” OPINION ” totally VOID of any evidence .

      I see that you’re not wanting to challenge JACK on a single word I’ve said .

      Instead like a ” stuck record ” you are now choosing , your now famous default setting of diverting the conversation away from the uncomfortable, difficult , FACTUAL points I’ve made …… We’ve been here 100s of times before and your typical response will now only serve as mild , amusing entertainment to the many readers that are now fully aware as to how you operate .

      I see LAITH1720 has made comment to your “repetitive” nature MARTIN ,…….. I very much look forward to debating the toxic dangers of Fracking with you . Once again, for the 100th plus time I ask , when can we discuss the toxic dangers of Fracking , when can we talk about Fracking and THE DIRTY DOZEN ?????????

      • What factual points Jack? Like 2020 was a “normal” year and the French will pay for UK new nuclear?

        Yet to see anything from you regarding the US electricity distribution and the DIRTY several dozen.

        The FACT is Jack, you are completely incapable of presenting a correct FACT. It is no surprise 1720 made the comment-after all he/she/it was the individual who screwed up the definition of FACT ignoring the part about a fact being something that is TRUE. If you want to find someone who is supportive of fact, maybe better find someone who can read the OED. Being in contact with the deceased may also be a fact that was just fabrication, so common ground-but still a swamp-especially after labelling fellow travelers as ignorant. A bit harsh I thought, but you can take that up with 1720.

        As usual Jack, you blunder off into the minefield and the result is inevitable. Sorry the JACK FACTS stirred your emotions Jack, but it was you who posted them, and more. Anyone who wishes to do so can check.

        We-you and I-have discussed fracking many times before Jack. You regurgitate the same stuff in some slightly adjusted packaging and claim, like a failing company that has a product people ignore, that it is something novel and new. Then whinge about no one else paying attention to your offering. Must be those many readers are now fully aware as to how you operate, especially after you offered them your expertise regarding propaganda. Perhaps not the wisest post in DoD history, but illuminating for those who had any doubts.

        • 🤣 WARNING diversionary Collywaffle ALERT 🤣

          MARTIN , Do you really want JACK to cut and paste his responses concerning the debate on the year 2020 ???????? Well do you ??????? As it will only have the readers once again laughing at your expense.

          As for the FRENCH , well MARTIN they are heavily investing in UK nuclear energy , which FULLY extinguished your comment that implied the British Taxpayer would be picking up the tab for some “mythical”” £200bn that you had quoted , for the new nuclear power stations….. I use the word “mythical ” because your OPINIONS are never backed up with a SINGLE shred of evidence .

          OK MARTIN , possible ex GAS MANTLE maker, let’s talk about your number one pet hate , the electricity distribution network……

          ( 1 ) Let’s talk about the outdated the USA , with its outdated, 19th Century power lines on top of wooden telegraph poles.

          ( 2 ) Let’s talk about how the increased global temperature as a result of burning fossil fuels has also increased the running temperature of these power lines .

          ( 3 ) Let’s talk about how record breaking Summer temperatures has left tinder dry forests easy flash points ….. Tell me MARTIN , what impact has the relentless burning of fossil fuels played on these temperatures.

          ( 4 ) Let’s talk about the outdated USA electricity distribution network and how an increase in electricity demand running things like ,AIR CONDITIONERS has played a part in overloading these cables during baking hot , record breaking temperatures.

          ( 5 ) Let’s talk about how the burning of fossil fuels ( climate change ) has caused Storms and Hurricanes to be far more intense… Let’s talk about how Storms and Hurricanes could of caused electrical fires , blowing down outdated electricity distribution lines .

          YES MARTIN , LET’S PLEASE TALK

          Finally, whilst I have your attention , let’s talk about the HIGHLY TOXIC dangers that YOU wish to expose the British public to … For the 100th PLUS time I ask , let’s talk about Fracking and THE DIRTY DOZEN

          • OH and MARTIN ,

            I can back up all my comments with evidence , LINKS …… If there’s anything you dispute about what I’ve said , that being Fracking is highly toxic , costly process that is environmentally damaging, climate changing, dangerous to human and animal health, devalues homes in Fracking areas that leaves a toxic financial burden for future generations. JUST SAY as I will be delighted to fill this page with all the proof you need .

            Remember old chap / old lady or whoever you identify yourself as , any comments you make will need to be backed up with evidence in the form of LINKS …… Failure to do so will render your comments as nothing more than a wild off-the-cuff OPINION.

          • That really is further indication you wish to post twaddle, Jack

            Let me take one little item. The French will INVEST in UK nuclear-if they are guaranteed a whacking great return on their investment paid for by the UK energy consumer! Example costs are available for scrutiny regarding Hinkley Point. IT is not a new concept, it is what is already underway. If anyone else wishes to examine PFI in UK they can do so, and find one common thread-a whacking great return to the PFI and a high cost to the user.

            So, Jack, your FACTS are absolute twaddle. You may or may not know they are, but everyone else with a little knowledge of the UK energy market does.

            Your knowledge of the USA is equally poor. “19th century power lines”. Oh dear, oh dear.

            (Noted yesterday individual States in USA are starting to tax EVs with an annual charge to compensate for the lost revenue from “gas” sales. Interesting.)

            Why on earth would anyone wish to discuss any serious matter with someone who has no intention of sticking to reality? I could have a more grown up discussion with my grandson who is yet to reach 3 years old. I did note your offer to “talk about” things required a great deal of speculation, Jack. Not my cup of tea, but you may find someone who excels in that area.

            Perhaps the Home Secretary would talk with you about how saving the planet should not mean bankrupting the UK? I suspect she would soon stop the discussion once you wished to offer your fallacy of £200B miraculously removed from one side of the equation, having had her recent experience of what you get from the French with a great deal of UK money-and then, not much.

            • MARTIN ,

              ARE YOU really that lacking in knowledge ,??????..

              WHY do you keep saying the same things ,only for JACK to , like a ” stuck record ” have to repeatedly keep correcting your same errors …. What’s going on ???????

              Here we go again, electricity distribution was active back k in the 19th century.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_electric_power_transmission

              YOU MOAN ON about the British Taxpayer having to foot this ” mythical ” as unproven yet £200bn for new nuclear power stations , then when the French offer to invest you moan about that….. There’s just NO pleasing YOU 🤣

              Your FACT LESS diversionary ” OPINION ” above does nothing to address the comments I put forward about the TOXIC dangers of Fracking ,……..

              ( 1 ) When will you stop trying to divert the conversion with unrelated Collywaffle ??????

              ( 2 ) When will you stop repeating yourself, making JACK endlessly having to correct your errors ???????

              ( 3 ) When will you start putting up evidence , ( LINKS ) to support your comments ???????

              ( 4 ) When will you start to address the very serious , PROVEN dangers around Fracking , instead of knowingly trying to impose this toxic industry on to the British people ???????? Don’t you care about the health and safety of the British people ??????

              ( 5 ) When for the 100th PLUS time that I ask , will you discuss with JACK the toxic dangers of Fracking , when can we talk about Fracking and THE DIRTY DOZEN ?????????

              OH and before I go MARTIN , here is a little more about 19th Century electricity distribution in the USA …… LOOK AND LEARN , as you can see, electricity distribution was up and running in the 19th century…… I do hope you won’t make JACK have to repeat himself again .

              https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/energy-explained/history-energy-united-states

              • Except, Jack, there are two-at least-fallacies within your limited search engine:

                1. You think no one will notice that you have tried to change your position from a US electricity “network” to some distribution. Well, Jack, sorry, that is pathetic. Anyone can research when electricity started to be rolled out in USA and the extent of that.
                2. Those original power lines are still in use?! Goodness, Jack, you know less about electricity than you do about oil and gas.

                But thank you Jack, for sharing your OPINION as to how the USA is so backward in energy supply. If that is the case as you post, then why do you continue to attempt to use US links to fabricate what would follow in UK in respect of fracking? My UK electricity pole is replaced as soon as it shows sign of wear and tear, my electricity cables the same. My overhanging trees are pruned regularly by the power company to make certain that is not accelerated by them. On my way to the butchers this am I was stopped for a while as other trees were being pruned back around other energy distribution poles and wires.

                There you go Jack, all your previous you have just disposed of yourself. US energy and UK energy are, from your posts, very different! Well done. I knew “we” would get there, with a bit of encouragement. So much energy plonked into all those now useless links, Jack, and the Dirty Dozen defined as being irrelevant. Indeed, well done-as you have done it all by yourself.

                • 🤣 oh dear MARTIN , your twisting and turning is like a classic comedy stand up act .

                  Thank you, but no more please, my sides are aching with laughter..

                  I’m not letting you off the hook with this one 🤣 , you said , quote , ” Your knowledge of the USA is equally poor. “19th century power lines”. Oh dear, oh dear. ”

                  You implied that there were NO POWER LINES in the 19th Century USA ..

                  YOU WERE WRONG and trying to wriggle out of it spinning a load of Collywaffle will only form as a source of mild amusement to the readers.

                  NOW can we get back to the very serious matter at hand , concerning the UK ????????? I , along with the readers know how you are trying to avoid discussing the topic with an onslaught of diversionary Collywaffle but this is extremely important.

                  WHY in densely populated UK , are you trying to expose so many of the British public to the dangers of Fracking ????????

                  When can we in full public view work our way through and fully discuss the Fracking dangers ??????? When can we talk about Fracking and THE DIRTY DOZEN ?????

                  YOU personally MARTIN are trying to push this toxic industry on the British public , why do you hide away when challenged ?????

          • Jack, There is no evidence that hurricanes are becoming more numerous or more intense. In fact the opposite is true. [Edited by moderator]
            http://websites.milonic.com/notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/
            I recommend that you listen to both sides of the argument before you make your mind up. If you read a bit more widely you’ll see that there is a whole industry out there determined to destroy the economy of the UK by keeping people misinformed. This same industry is preventing scientists from publishing their work if it doesn’t comply with one side of the argument. This is not how science is meant to work.
            https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/climate-change-the-distortion-of-science/

            • WRONG GRAEME and

              ” NASA ” strongly disagree with your comment .

              https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/#:~:text=Hurricanes%20Will%20Become%20Stronger%20and,the%20climate%20continues%20to%20warm.

              The endless RECORD breaking temperatures , wildfires , floods , storms and Hurricanes each year bares testament to the fact that the increase in the global temperature as a result of burning fossil fuels is already having a devastating effect on the planet and will continually get worse as time goes by …….

              In the near future , endless wars will be fought over for basic things like food and water .

                • No, Jack, I said there was no network. If that implied something else to you I can not see why when there is data to show when electricity distribution gathered pace in USA. (They are rather good at keeping such data.)

                  (Did you know Jack, I could supply you with masses of links detailing how many buxom ladies there were in the Wild West sporting bras from the future-so there are “facts” to ponder upon!)

                  Sorry you have such difficulty comprehending, but that will not extract you from the mire.

                  You have got into the problem, don’t blame me for something I did not state. That is about the lamest attempt I have seen to try and get out of the corners you paint yourself into.

                  Are you saying Jack that electricity distribution is safe to the public and the environment? What you have implied, in your rush with the anti USA rhetoric is that in the USA it is not. Well, Jack, I would claim it is a lot safer in the UK, and most of the US issue is interesting but not going to be transferred.

                  Meanwhile, you have still got yourself into a position where you have contrived to suggest that USA may have some individual issue, so sorry-bye Dirty Dozen.

                  By the way, endless wars have been fought over energy supply, and that will continue. Fought over food? Probably, after some idiots manage to reduce food production by getting rid of artificial fertilizers.

                • Yes Jack that’s exactly what I’m saying. It’s also the position of the British Geological Survey and Regulatory Environmental Bodies and has been demonstrated time and time again since the 1950s when it was first invented. The idea that it causes apocalyptic earthquakes and pollutes the water table etc is a modern fabrication. To suggest that our Drilling Engineers are incapable of controlling a simple industrial process is nonsensical, especially when it seeks to deprive the UK population of a way to avoid impoverishment due to ever higher energy prices.

                • WELL MARTIN ,

                  You can try and SPLIT HAIRS all you want , you won’t convince JACK and we’ll leave it to the readers to make up their minds as to what you were trying to imply … The words speak for themselves.

                  HAHA 🤣 , you say quote , ” Did you know Jack, I could supply you with masses of links detailing how many buxom ladies there were in the Wild West sporting bras from the future- ”

                  That is NOT what we are taking about 🤣 . ALL I ASK is that you supply ONE LINK as that will be a first ….. Until now you’ve only ever given an OPINION , backed up with sweet nothing.

                  Anyway , Thank You for the laughter, but can we now please get back to the very important issue concerning the dangers of Fracking ??????? Or will you continue to try and divert the conversion away from this very difficult topic for the Fracking industry ???????

                  Don’t you care about the health and safety of the British public ?????????

                  When relentlessly trying to push UK Fracking , whilst ignoring all debates about the proven dangers, speaks volumes as to the type man / woman you are ..

                  When will you discuss these proven dangers , when can we discuss Fracking and THE DIRTY DOZEN ?????

                • GRAEME,

                  HOT from the USA , Fracking tied to 55 CANCER causing chemicals

                  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5235941/

                  Or maybe this

                  From the YALE School Of Public Health , Fracking linked to Cancer on Children

                  https://news.yale.edu/2022/08/17/proximity-fracking-sites-associated-risk-childhood-cancer

                  Or this ,

                  Fracking linked to Cancer in Children

                  https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/children-born-near-fracking-sites-have-an-increased-risk-for-leukemia-180980641/

                  Or this from Nobel Peace Price Winners , Physicians for Social Responsibility …….. Fracking , CANCER causing chemicals in groundwater

                  https://psr.org/new-mexicos-fracking-water-contains-cancer-causing-chemicals-study-says/

                • No, Jack, you are like the meteor from beyond. You have killed off the Dirty Dozen Dinosaurs in your rush to decry USA for it’s ancient and dangerous energy use that you suggest would not happen in UK.

                  Like the Dead Parrot, Jack, they are deceased, finished, removed. Did they ever truly exist? Did/does Jack the Lad ever truly exist? If so, only in USA or folklore. The USA you have told the readers is a basket case in terms of energy use. Folklore is maybe not a basket case but fantasy. Take your pick.

                  Not sure what platform you wish to go forward from Jack, but your chosen ones have sunk under your own weight, as did the dinosaurs in the tar pits, and will be something to research in years to come in a search for the reasons a certain section of life disappeared. Getting on the wrong side of climate change?

                  In your case Jack, I suspect the research will simply redefine that propaganda suppliers are outdated when facts can be so easily checked. Ironically, so easily facilitated by plastic and NETWORKS!

                  However, I will be playing dinosaurs with my grandson later today, so the fantasy experience will not be completely extinct.

                • MARTIN

                  THANKS FOR NOTHING.

                  That’s what your last post amounts to , NOTHING.

                  There you are , relentlessly trying to push this PROVEN toxic Fracking industry on to the British public .

                  When challenged , you immediately go in to full Collywaffle diversionary mode , or pretend you’ve not noticed the facts leveled at you , WHY ?????

                  It’s clear that you DO know about the dangers of Fracking , but clearly don’t care about the environment or the health and safety of the British public .

                  Stand Firm In Your Convictions ……. show some BACKBONE man / woman or whatever you identify yourself as and debate with JACK the dangers of Fracking .

                • Dead, Jack. The Dozen are dead. Killed off by Jack.

                  Perhaps debate with yourself why one area of US energy supply doesn’t impact UK but another does?

                  I would do it somewhere else Jack, as it is not something that will interest anyone but yourself and Mr. Putin.

  6. Still failing to think, Martin, and your inability to engage in a rational discussion or debate over dozens of responses is again noted.
    “They get away with a lot of things in USA, Jack. Such as thousands of forest fires caused by problems with electricity distribution-causing death to humans, loss of property, death to animals, increased risk of cancer etc. etc. Seems they have decided to continue with it, and UK have decided to expand our electricity distribution significantly. ”
    Martin has an alternative!!!!!! But what is it? Can’t be the refusal to use electricity, can it? So it’s the mode of distribution. How would Martin suggest they re-organise distribution to avoid the harms he cites? Are these awful consequences of fires somehow worse than the gradual – but accelerating daily – extinction of lives and livelihoods through the consumption of Martin’s beloved fossil fuels?
    And then the recourse to “the many” – of necessity much worse off than ourselves, (otherwise the accusation would have no point), which Martin’s interlocutor is accused of not being concerned about. We’ve all been there. Start a discussion, sorry – an exchange of emails with Martin, and he’ll find someone you don’t care about, someone he thinks will be better off under FFs.
    Quaint, isn’t it? Integrity?….You decide.
    Still, fiddling away while Rome burns, neglecting, avoiding completely, the obvious facts and arguments, gains time for those who better than Martin really do understand what is at stake, yet sublimate that to the “quick buck”. FFs have here their own facilitator, trying to keep us all in ignorance.
    How appallingly sad, that we should have come to this!

  7. Something must be done, 1720! Perhaps that would be my alternative? But, it isn’t as silly as that, 1720. Neither is it as silly as making up what someone has suggested in order to be able to take part. I am still awaiting your alternative to fossil fuels for items such as fertilizer-apart from starvation.

    Let me put it very simply for you to understand 1720. (The other readers can ignore this bit.)
    Most forms of energy provision have issues. Most of those issues can be controlled. Even without those controls NEVER being 100%, humanity still can make the decision to do risk/reward analyses. It always does. I can agree with the result or disagree, as can you. I do try and put forward why I disagree based upon the subject rather than upon a soapbox. You may have noticed, for all of that I happily consume electricity. My reward is fine, but I know the risks. If I had any doubt the electricity pole outside my window declares many of them. If I lived in USA my thoughts about risk may be a bit different. Now, if you can not see the rather large CLUE I have plonked before you then I am sorry, but I really can not be bothered to go any further back to basics just for your benefit.

    19 homes water supply or how many deaths already from forest fires in USA caused by faults within electricity distribution? Whilst you ponder that, 1720 perhaps you would also like to explain how on earth you have arrived at an exchange of E mails? I would just add that many homes water supplies are interrupted in UK by lots of things. Last time I remember it being raised as an issue in the HoC by a Labour MP directing it at fracking, it turned out to be another of the lots of things!

    You really need to control your excitement, stick to the facts and then coherence may result. Sorry you are all in ignorance, but a little research may bring forth enlightenment. “We” can but hope. Not sure though that many of the “we’s” will be too happy that their dear leader has branded them ignorant. How appallingly sad, that “we” should have come to this! Another good reason for me to reject your particular Group.

  8. How Truss has the audacity to speak in public after crashing the economy, acts which we are all paying for, is beyond me. The U.K. was on the brink of financial meltdown.
    That and her chaotic vote on fracking should have been sufficient to place her in the political wilderness.
    Truss acts as though she has some authority, she doesn’t. So whilst the pro fracking may jump at her support for fracking I think most people will not trust anything she says.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/business/uk-budget-market-pound-reaction-b2217302.html

    • I’ve not made my mind up yet about Truss. What worries me is that someone can walk into the office of a sitting Prime Minister and tell them it’s time to resign. I, naively perhaps, thought the Prime Minister was in charge. Clearly someone else holds the power. I’ll read her book when it comes out in the hope of getting the facts. I’ve read recently that the Bank Of England undermined her two days before her budget speech by selling off bonds then bought them back two days after she resigned in an attempt to show that the market approved of her departure. Apparently she had some powerful people working against her. I’ll try to get the facts before making up my mind. Unlike many others.

  9. Well KatT, you do when “we” are all paying energy bills, so she has an equal right to do so.

    Whether anyone trusts anything either of you says is their choice, but I would not wish to deny either of you to “speak” in public.

    I believe her central message was a smaller State and lower taxation to create investment to achieve increased productivity. I can go along with that even whilst not believing she would be the best person to produce it. Looking at the current bunch there is no one else who might, so low productivity, an ever bigger State and higher taxes still look to be built in.

    So much for protecting our children and grandchildren.

    I wouldn’t run your flag up the value of Sterling pole, if I was you. You may take a look at what importing stuff UK could produce itself does to the value of Sterling!

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