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Climate change risks of fracking outweigh benefits – BMJ editorial

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Cuadrilla’s Preston New Road fracking site near Blackpool, 1 May 2018. Photo: Ros Wills

The scale of harm from shale gas to health is uncertain, but the danger of exacerbating climate change is not, two professors of public health have warned.

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In an editorial for this week’s British Medical Journal, David McCoy and Patrick Saunders said:

“Although we can’t be certain about the scale of harm that shale gas production will bring to local communities and the immediate environment, it will exacerbate climate change. And on these grounds alone, the risks clearly and considerably outweigh any possible benefits.”

Dr McCoy, professor of global public health at Barts and London School of Medicine, and Dr Saunders, visiting professor of public health at University of Staffordshire, dismissed industry arguments about the environmental benefits of shale gas in the UK.

They said:

“Although it may offer some environmental benefit if produced and used efficiently, and if it displaces “dirtier” sources of energy like coal from the energy mix, this does not hold true for countries like the UK that have already phased out coal.

“The argument that shale gas is relatively clean and can assist with our transition to a sustainable energy system is thin, if not hollow. It also implies an unacceptable indifference from proponents of the industry to the global threat posed by climate change.”

They added:

“Methane, the main component of shale gas, is a potent greenhouse gas that leaks directly into the atmosphere at different points in the production and supply line, producing an additional global warming effect.”

The academics have previously co-authored two health impact assessments on shale gas for the health charity, Medact.

In this week’s editorial, they said the hazards and effects on health of shale gas developments depended on many factors. These included, they said, how many shale gas wells were drilled and over what land area, the size and proximity of local populations; how the industry behaved and was regulated, as well as local factors.

They conceded that shale gas production may not be a population level health threat on the scale of tobacco, sugar, alcohol, or motor vehicle pollution. But they added:

“Some evidence shows that it increases the risk of negative health and environmental outcomes, including increased risk of cancer, adverse birth outcomes, respiratory disease, and mental wellbeing.”

Public health review

Public Health England (PHE) published a review in 2014 of the potential public health impacts of pollution resulting from shale gas extraction. This concluded:

“The potential risks to public health from exposure to the emissions associated with shale gas extraction will be low if the operations are properly run and regulated.”

This report has been criticised for looking only at emissions from shale gas sites and for failing to take account of the most recent research.

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Dr Frank Rugman and Claire Stephenson delivering a petition to Public Health England in August 2017

There have been calls for an updated report, including a petition with nearly 6,000 signatures delivered to PHE in August 2017.

In May this year, the Energy Minister, Lord Henley, said PHE “continue to review evidence on the potential public health impacts of emissions associated with shale gas extraction and have not currently identified any significant evidence that would make it change its views”.

PHE told DrillOrDrop a team of three-to-four staff focus “part of their time on onshore oil and gas”. They also have responsibility for assessing impacts from chemical incidents, air quality and industrial emissions.

The organisation said there was “an on-going process to identify new peer-reviewed papers” on shale gas health impacts. These were “assessed, summarised and reviewed to identify any new areas of public health concern”.

PHE confirmed that it had not published any further papers but “continues to review the evidence on emissions associated with shale gas extraction.”

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  1. If the U.K was 100% renewable powered right now….

    You wouldn’t be reading this…

    Anyone disagree, please post

    P.S Don’t bother mentioning if we had lots of batteries we’d be O.K…….. maybe for a few minutes…

    Don’t mention tidal, few hours a day

    Please mention lots more wind turbines that might even push them up to 2% today at a push…

    I would also love someone to mention Biomass, please just one person, just one…

    If you prefer post a long poem or talk about the Universe that’s always a winner

    Or how evil and nasty fossil fuels are, you’ll need them to send your post though, don’t upset them…

    The underlying point I’m making is this, we are reasonably warm in the U.K now. What if it was mid winter and the wind dropped. Let’s just take a moment and realise that renewables with gas can work if allowed and we need to take responsibility of the energy we use. Yes that’s all of us even the ones wearing self knitted jumpers who turn up at at PNR by Bus.

    • ‘Anyone disagree, please post’ – yes I disagree and yes I am not only reading but able to respond using 100% renewable electricity;next….

      • Yes, i disagree too, i think kish is looking for the two thirds that dont respond and try to say they agree with him because only those who respond disagree?

        Standard obfuscation practice again?

        Never mind kish, the universe will provide, not here today and gone tomorrow fossil fuels.

        Cue the next repeat sermon from the off shore tax haven amount?

        Is fracking becoming a religion?

        Tax free charity perhaps? Almost true now isnt it?

        • Phil you are talking utter garbage, you still managed to mention the Universe though, top marks…

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          • Dear me, kish, you do have it bad dont you? Such bitterness and ire just for opposition to your fracking religion?

            As i explained before the world of songs, literature and, poetry and just creative fun seems to be lost on the humourless frackers?

            The real world is the totality of human experience kish, not just some narrow minded here today and gone tomorrow exploitative fossil fuel ponzi scheme blot on history of the human race and the entire planet. There are enough of those blots as it is, without adding to them?

            The real world passed fossil fuels by ages ago, back in the Devonian and Carboniferous periods. All we have how is the toxic legacy of that and the planet buried that deep away from the surface millennia ago for a very good reason. It trapped the methane and the C02 underground and that should not be disturbed again without suffering the environmental and climate change consequences, which is exactly what this post subject is about.

            I am sorry that you are so angry at opposition kish, but it will not stop just because someone blows their top in an attempt to intimidate and shout down protest and planetary protection against the poisonous debacle of fracking?

            We arent going away kish, and just getting angry about it wont help your case at all.

            I hope you have a better Sunday in Egypt, its a great place for a visit, try to go to the pyramids and Luxor and some of the temples, amazing places, and no fossil fuels to help them to build all those wonders either? Just intelligence and the knowledge to work with what they had, just as we did over three centuries ago, but it was the twentieth century that really did the damage and we should have been clever enough to intelligently realise all the energies around us that the planet provides for free? Do i mention the universe here just for fun? I think i will, oh, i see i just did?

            Oh yes, do try to enjoy this little corner of the universe, it a great place.

            • I’m not angry, just providing the energy you use and take for granted. Sorry to burst your poetic bubble but it’s not free.

              You mention the World provides free energy?

              I take it you live in an amazing World were you have no bills?

              The only anger I see on this site is from the anti brigade unable to accept reality…

              You speak like someone without a care in the World, enjoy living there…

              Good luck, whenever you want to join the real World it will be an eye opener as you don’t seem to grasp the basic understanding of it…

            • ‘just providing the energy you use and take for granted’ – nope.

              Sorry to burst your antagonistic bubble but mine is free.

              It seems we have come to the inevitable stalemate.
              How about the 19% that support fracking all moving to the fracking areas complete with industrial processing plant and reprocessing waste water all within a kilometer of their properties?

              Then the 85% can sit next to the wind and solar farms which they support, hopefully up wind of the toxic shit?

              And when the gas runs out, please don’t ask for renewable energy; we may be able to sell you clean air though…

            • You are angry, you dont provide the energy i use and and i dont take it for granted. Sorry to burst your fracking bubble but energy is free if we have the intelligence to harness it.

              The universe provides free energy.

              I take it you live in an terrible world were you pay through the nose for every bit of energy you use?

              The only anger I see on this site is from the anti anti brigade who are unable to accept reality…

              You speak like someone who has all the cares of the World, and you dont enjoy living there…

              Good luck, whenever you want to join the real World it will be an eye opener as you don’t seem to grasp the basic understanding of it…

        • Did you just say the Universe will provide???

          Does anybody want to talk about the very important energy requirements for the future in the U.K or is this bulletin board full of people with very vague grips on reality? To put it politely…

          Oh and Sher post a full explanation about your statement please…

          • I think kish i have covered that above, where do you think you live? In some isolated corner of the universe that only runs under fossil fuel laws? Where do you think all this comes from? Out of thin air? Magic? No, the laws of physics and life were established countless billions of years ago, and not here either, what you see around you is a legacy of that far off point in time and space, we all owe that to the very foundation laws of the universe, some say that was a conscious act, i really dont know, but i know it didnt start here and now, why do you find that so difficult to accept?

            Dear me, surely you dont believe that nothing exists but this tiny little corner of the universe? Is that it? Do you really think this planet is all there is?

            My dear kish, its not me who has a very vague grip on reality, but those who refuse to see anything outside of themselves? Quite an appropriate subject for a Sunday isnt it?

            I’m afraid your “grip” on reality is rather tenuous? Have you looked up at the night sky at all? Those arent just points of light you know? They are entire planetary star systems, some of them are other galaxies and their light took so long to reach us, they may not even exist anymore? Cant you see how enormous the universe is? And yet you only seem to recognise this tiny little corner of space, and even then, in this tiny few years of time? Less than a blink in the totality of it all.

            Never mind kish, its a good job some of us think for the future of our children and future generations, not just the tiny fraction of time and space in this…….universe……

            Enjoy Eygypt.

            • Wow…

              You sound like a fully paid up member of the intergalactic space agency…

              What are you talking about?

          • Kish you, spout out the need to keep using fossil fuels, you have an incredibly short sighted view and claiming the importance of the need to continue using oil and gas because, if we don’t, we will severely be handicapped. It will never be a cheap form of energy for starters as it is dictated by share prices, further more, the investment that has to go into the operation just to get it out of the ground will also keep the cost of “our own” o&g at an un- economic price. The facts lead by science proves that it is a very un- economic way of “keeping the lights on” but more more importantly, the idea of having hundreds if not thousands of wells dotted all over this green and pleasant land is just simply insain…. and for what?
            This government has simply got to get into the real world and start looking at pumping vast amounts of money into renewables and not just trying to keep the diminishing number of O&G investors in pocket at the cost of destroying our environment for generations to come.
            Kish, you and your petrochemical loving buddies really need to be more thoughtful and understand about the importance of climate change, and learn how to play a part in being part of the solution which is undoubtedly RENEWABLE ENERGY!!! and not helping to continue to fight to promote a harmful and dying industry that is oil and gas.

      • AGREE. If renewable were 100% viable I’d be using it RIGHT NOW. NO- we are apparently not a solar ‘candidate’. Nor wind power. I use 60k kwh per year. Give me an onsite source for somewhere around what I pay not and I’ll switch. N-O-W.

        But this does not excuse fracking. Horizontal drilling is thoughtless, stupid & purely selfish.

  2. Another nonsensical comparison from Kish. Energy will always be from a mix of sources. How many tens of thousands of shale gas wells would be needed to provide 100% of the UK’s energy needs by the way? – leaving aside the fact that they would need continual expansion and refracking to keep the supply going. By which time planet earth would be going the way of Venus anyway.

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      • Well, its Sunday again folks!I wondered what to do today, but this report is too good to pass up?

        So sorry, Dr. David McCoy and Dr. Patrick Saunders but this is just a gift? Just could not resist it?

        Fracking Firm – Shire Frackin’

        Shire Frackin’ across the land perverse,

        On the Earthship Enterprise under Mercaptain Smirk.

        Shire Frackin’ across the land perverse,
        Boldly going forward ’cause we can’t find reverse.

        Lt. Uhura, report.

        There’s Extinctions on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow;
        There’s Extinctions on the starboard bow, starboard bow, Sir Jim.

        Analysis, Mr. Spock.

        It’s life, Sir Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it; it’s life, Sir Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Captain.

        There’s Extinctions on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow;
        There’s Extinctions on the starboard bow, starboard bow, Sir Jim.

        Shire Frackin’ across the land perverse,
        On the Earthship Enterprise under Mercaptain Smirk.
        Shire Frackin’ across the land perverse,
        Boldly going forward, still can’t find reverse.

        Medical update, Dr. McCoy.

        It’s worse than that, we’re dead, Sir Jim, dead, Sir Jim, dead, Sir Jim;
        It’s worse than that, we’re dead, Sir Jim, dead, Sir Jim, dead.

        It’s life, Sir Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it; it’s life, Sir Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Mercaptain

        There’s Extinctions on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow;
        There’s Extinctions on the starboard bow, starboard bow, Jim.

        Earthship Mercaptain, James T. Smirk.

        Ah! They invade our peace, frack to drill, frack to drill, frack to drill;
        They invade our peace, frack to drill, frack to drill, men.

        It’s worse than that, we’re dead, Sir Jim, dead, Sir Jim, dead, Sir Jim;
        It’s worse than that, we’re dead, Sir Jim, dead, Sir Jim, dead.

        Well, it’s life, Sir Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it; it’s life, Sir Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it Mercaptain.

        There’s Extinctions on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow;
        There’s Extinctions on the starboard bow, scrape ’em off, Sir Jim.

        Shire Frackin’ across the land perverse,
        On the Earthship Enterprise under Mercaptain Smirk.
        Shire Frackin’ across the land perverse,
        Boldly going forward, and things are getting worse!

        Engine room, Mr. Scott:

        Ye cannae change the laws of physics, laws of physics, laws of physics;
        Ye cannae change the laws of physics, laws of physics, Sir Jim.

        Ah! They invade our peace, frack to drill, frack to drill, frack to drill;
        They invade our peace, frack to drill;

        Scotty, beam me up!

        It’s worse than that, we’re dead, Sir Jim, dead, Sir Jim, dead, Sir Jim;
        It’s worse than that, we’re dead, Sir Jim, dead, Sir Jim, dead.

        Well, it’s life, Sir Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it; it’s life, Sir Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Mercaptain

        There’s Extinctions on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow;
        There’s Extinctions on the starboard bow, starboard bow Jim!

        Ye gonna change the climate, Och aye, see you, Jimmy!

        It’s worse than that, it’s physics, Sir Jim.

        Bridge to engine room, injunction factor 9.

        Och, if I give it any more she’ll blow, Mercapt’n!

        Shire Frackin’ across the land perverse,
        On the Earthship Enterprise under Mercaptain Smirk.
        Shire Frackin’ across the land perverse,
        Boldly going forward ’cause we can’t find reverse.

        Shire Frackin’ across the land perverse,
        On the Earthship Enterprise under Mercaptain Smirk.
        Shire Frackin’ across the land perverse,
        Boldly going nowhere, but still can’t find reverse!

        i enjoyed that!

        Have a great Sunday with family and friends and enjoy the day.

      • Kish, you are missing the point!!!
        It doesn’t matter how reliable the Industry is “now” it is about changing our way, we have some of the smartest minds on the planet in the uk. The government should be going going all out for renewables rather than promoting a destructive and very obtrusive industry that is perpetrating climate change. IT’S NOT ABOUT WGAT WE ARE GETTING NOW!!! IT IS ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE FUTURE AND THE GENERATIONS TO COME.

        • If you want to see a Country trying to go all out for renewables look at Germany… Energiewende…Fail…Mountains of coal burnt to keep the lights on…

          So cuckoo you have solar panels, a micro wind turbine, grey water harvesting system, air source heat pump, Electric car and an extremely well insulated house???

          It starts with the individual…

  3. This thread post post should have been headlined “BMJ editorial claims scale of harm from shale gas to health is uncertain”

  4. Clearly the claims that fracking will not initiate or exacerbate existing geological stability causing earthquakes are spurious, yesterday this report from Grimsby. Maybe fracking will exacerbate an all ready unstable geological system?

    A 3.9-magnitude earthquake centred in north-east Lincolnshire has reportedly been felt up to 60 miles (100km) away.

    The British Geological Survey said it happened at 23:14 BST on Saturday with the epicentre in Grimsby at a depth of 11 miles.

    It was felt mainly in Lincolnshire, and Hull, the BGS added.

    It comes nearly a decade after the 5.2-magnitude earthquake in Market Rasen, Lincolnshire, which was felt widely across England and Wales.

    Independent organisation European-Mediterranean Seismological Centre (EMSC) said it had received reports from people 100km from the epicentre who had felt the tremor.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-44428360

  5. Well, Linda Noseley seems to have different experiences. She had solar panels installed in 2015, under the Green Deal, borrowing as advised within the “golden rule”. Repayments of £30/month savings of only £6/month, and building up a debt with her energy supplier. Hundreds of other customers in the same position. Those loans remain attached to the property, making it more difficult to sell.

    Perhaps FOE could produce a poster on this? Wouldn’t hold your breath.

    • You need to investigate the whole story Martin; that’s good journalism. This snippet just demonstrates small mindedness.

      • Are you going to teach us economics Sher?

        Anyway expand on you are using 100% renewable electricity then we can all do it…

        Come on Sher…

  6. Maybe I did Sherwulfe, but just posted the key points to allow others to do their own research, if they wished? (It is today’s news, so shouldn’t be too difficult to find.) I have this strange belief that others can make up their own minds, don’t need to be told how to think, but might like to see the full picture. I suspect many will realise there has been a whole raft of recent stories-no, reports-of alternative energy schemes that have been promoted as something that can only be of benefit to those who participate, and the planet in general, and then turn out to have been economic madness, and worse (the Assembly back in N. Ireland yet?)
    Those who want to see that side of the coin, will be willing to make the effort, those who don’t will continue to be myopic.

    Not sure the dual rush back from retirement has countered the depression of the Cuadrilla injunction, but, good effort.

    Two trailer loads of freshly baled hay just chugged past my window. Seems we have caught up after the Beast from the East. Thank heaven for red diesel.

      • Sher still waiting for your 100% renewable electricity today???

        As usual a quick reply with no substance and nothing to back it up…

        • An insidious request; pretense of interest in renewable energy spotlights the mendacious nature of the ‘carbonphile’.

        • Still waiting for this promised bonanza of fracking gas? Not that we want it or need it of course?

          As usual a quick reply with no substance and nothing to back it up…

          • Cuadrilla have a clear run at initial production of shale gas in Q3 2018. Lower Bowland shale has been horizontally drilled and core samples are good with low clay content. The upper Bowland shale is being drilled as we speak which will also be a horizontal drill, this core sample results will also be presented to Parliament.
            The injunction which covers illegal acts by protestors will allow Cuadrilla, it’s workers and contractors to conduct their lawful business. The Government which has recently reiterated its support for the industry will have no cause to refuse Fracking commencing at PNR after the second well has been drilled. The flow rate will be assessed over a few months in order to assertain sizes of manifolds required for the distribution of said gas and connection to the grid. This infrastructure will be sub surface and will have minimal visual impact. Four bore holes at the site are independently monitored to analyse the water table.

            I have been told by a CEO of a Gas Company who was an under graduate in the 1980s working on the Morecambe Bay field that there is 100 times more gas in the Bowland shale than there is in Morecambe Bay. Therefore even if a small percentage of gas was recoverable it will still suffice the U.Ks needs for decades to come…

            No poems, no nasty comments, no universe will provide, no songs…

            Just cold hard facts how the U.K will provide its own energy for decades to come when the sun don’t shine and the wind don’t blow…

            • Great news Kisheny, thank you for the fantastic news, it’s so refreshing reading your sensible, informative posts, this one in particular.

              Well done Cuadrilla!!!

            • I see the repetitive litany is still being chanted by the uninitiated?

              Dumb Many Ad Hominum Frackme Padme Ad Hominum, Dumb Many Ad Hominum Frackme Padme Ad Hominum, Dumb Many Ad Hominum Frackme Padme Ad Hominum……

              The nasty comments come from your lot, its your first line of defence against something you have no argument against,

              There is indeed a universe, deny it as you may, you are a part of it, its got you surrounded, and its bigger than you.

              Songs exist too, didn’t you not notice? I think there is some on the radio right now?

              And poetry and literature and all those things that cant be found two kilometres down in the deepest darkest depths of the fossilised Carboniferous and Devonian eras?

              Talk about living in the past? Frackers live about 500 milion years in the past? Some of us prefer the present, and we will protect it.

              Cold hard facts? No, just barely warmed up soft propaganda, soon to be replaced by solar power, wind power, wave and tidal power, geothermal and electromagnetic power, all given freely by that universe you seem to hate even the mention of?

              Never mind, it’ll soon be wake up time and we can at last build an intelligent renewable energy secure future for everyone, not just some miserable greedy humourless few in offshore tax havens.

              Have a nice day.

              Dumb Many Ad Hominum Frackme Padme Ad Hominum, Dumb Many Ad Hominum Frackme Padme Ad Hominum, Dumb Many Ad Hominum Frackme Padme Ad Hominum……

            • Nice post Phil C, your words of comfort brought a smile to my face……just wondering if you could put a time frame for me as to when we can expect tidal, wave, wind, geothermal and electromagnetic power will kick in and replace dirty old gas???

              This year, next year……how long will we have to wait?

            • Simple enough michael remove tax breaks from Fossil fuel exploration, they can pay their own bills, they have more financial resources than the average western nation, concentrate all that freed up tax revenue and put it into financing existing renewable tech and investigating new ones.
              Use all the CAFR funds the government illegally hides from the joke of a budget. Spend all that on renewables.

              That should take about the same time for Fossil fuel gas to come on line under the present insane rip off scam, we can forget that and we have real renewable energy security for centuries to come.
              Maybe 5 years maybe ten unless we get rid of government and corporate self interest inertia.
              Work with every other country that is willing to do so, share resources and expertise, make real reciprocal trade agreements that benefit all parties, transform the world in one simple ongoing sharing fair and intelligent process.

              Let’s see what that produces before poisoning and devastating the entire country and the health and environment, before we go down the road to environmental devastation.

              Simples.

            • Oh so the “soon” time frame you alluded to is in fact up to a decade away, I thought maybe I could have had my gas disconnected but maybe it’s not such a wise decision after all.

              So gas will be vitally important for at least the next decade, thought so ☺

            • Ha! Ha! There you are!

              I thought, let’s see what this attempt at flattery from my old mate Michael is all about shall we?
              Its bound to be a something he is itching to say with this ‘me demand fake interest answer me now” come on shall we?

              I bet he will ignore everything i say and just to spout his pre prepared fake answer in an attempt at a put down? Why not?
              It’ll be fun just to see what the ploy is won’t it?

              And abracadaver what do we see?

              As I thought, just more gleeful propaganda and avoidance of anything said.

              No sh(!)t Sharelick, renewable energy resources was being proposed as the only way ahead back in the 1970’s and has been avoided oh so carefully until now.

              Exxon scientists predicted this transformation of climate change called global warming at the time round about the same time. Exxon have been desperately trying to prevent that being discussed by their own people and other fossil fuel industry ever since. Thankyou for disclosing that the team at Unearthed.

              Even NASA are saying so now, and that from evidence from their measurements.

              The result we see now is exactly what they predicted, rapidly accelerating global climate change fluctuations.

              This insane fracking industry and thoroughly compromised government has plunged us into pollution and climate change acceleration and are so desperate to make that last buck they care not what damage they are doing to the human population, the planet and future generations…..that is one helluva big can to kick down the crumbling road into the lives of our children.

              Don’t blame renewables for the inevitable claw back time needed before disaster claims us all, blame the filthy fracking Industry and this stupid government and all other governments back to the 1970’s .

              Add it up, we could have been self sufficient in renewables at the turn of the millennium, but for this frankly insane inertia stupidity and greed.

              The timescale for 100% renewable energy is a result of that government and corporate greed and insanity.

              Still smug now are we?

            • PS I didn’t day a decade. I said five years, ten if we put up with inertia and time wasting.
              Which about sums up the question in the first place, fun though this little game is?

            • Was that the same person who told you that protesters only do it for money? More ‘convenient persons’ – tell me do you get round a table and talk strategy? If so, don’t bother…it ain’t working.

            • PPS onshore fracking is not required now and will not be required then, because by your own admission, we can be 100% renewable by then and we won’t need it.

            • Looks like I overestimated you Phil C., Sherwulfe,

              An average minded person would have read my reply to Kisheny and been able to quickly recognise the intent of my post to you.

              It appears you two are the only ones left from the anti side propping up the bar, trying desperately to fend of reality.

              I better get back to the table, we’ve a new round of strategies to develop, Sherwulfe has us covered 😉😉😉

            • Dear me Michael Dobbie, are anti antis reduced to sneaking back here now to try and regain some credibility? A bit sad isnt it?

              It appears you are the only one left awake from the anti anti side propping up the imaginary bar here? (Michael, i dont want to worry you, but it doesn’t actually exist, its all in the anti anti imagination?) Where are your colleagues? Whoops sorry, i just stepped on one under the table, its OK he’ll sleep it off? Are you all trying desperately to talk up the fracking debacle unreality in here in this imaginary bar then? Don’t think much of the cabaret?

              it looks like you all are incapable of “estimating” anything at the moment? Other than the contents of the famous more than half full glass that is? Which needs a clean i notice? I suggest If any of you should ever come across “an average minded person” in the PR department, run! They got you outclassed!

              Well, its been….nice….but I better leave you all here in singing to yourselves in this grubby little fantasy bar land and get back to the reality of protecting people and the planet from this filthy fracking debacle, it is always interesting to watch this latest dismal failure of the new round of PR strategies being under developed.

              Sherwulfe does indeed has you all covered without hardly raising a finger, or two fingers, if you catch my drift? Its not really rocket science though from present sleeping examples is it? 😉😉😉

  7. Of course there isn’t Sherwulfe, for you.

    I should just stick to chatting to your “buddy” after both of you came back out of retirement, together, in order to chat to each other! But, like a fly without trout to excite, no takers.

    Singing from the same hymn sheet, or “alternatively”, singing from the same him sheet, where response posts are timed to perfection. Interesting, but hardly of importance. It’s been done before.

    • Ha! Ha! Dear oh dear, martin! You been drinking from the angry well too? The same one i bet.

      So much bitterness?

      i suggest you stick to your “buddy” or multiple ID “buddies”, we all know its just a single “buddy” hot desk really, just a few spare PR wanderers get dragged in to try out their script on Drill Or Drop. Industry Damage Limitation team, standard practice.

      We are not fooled or impressed for one second, half the time he, she or whatever office wanderer can be dragged to the desk, they often cant even remember which ID they are supposed to be posting under? Too many pasted up on the screen aren’t there? Changes of tense, wording entire transformation of grammar and epithets from one post to the next? Transparent as all get out? Just different people posting under the same ID or multiple choice ID’s trying to sound like the same people.

      This is very revealing, it shows that you all use the same script, your mistake is in accusing anyone else of your own activities, that is quite a big mistake, because it shows up the script to be what it is, just another strategy, lets see here what you say shall we?

      “Singing from the same hymn sheet, or “alternatively”, singing from the same him sheet, where response posts are timed to perfection. Interesting, but hardly of importance. It’s been done before.”

      There you are, you read from the script and tried to accuse others of it, dear dear, very transparent. Quite revealing actually, we know that is what part of the PR desk script is now. The funny thing is you guys do it all the time, but of course that is OK isnt it? But you all get paranoid if you think its being used in return? Very revealing. Hoist by your own petard.

      Who said anyone retired?

      How do you know what i write?

      You claim not to read anything i write?

      Not true is it? Your “buddy” made the same mistake, just a fake front for a PR desk isnt it? its all script and strategies, that is all it is.

      Believe me 24 hours away from such bitterness and arrant abusive ranti ranti propaganda is a year of sheer bliss in the equivalent fracking time scale.

      We don’t get paid to sit behind a PR desk all day just to flame anyone who dares to raise their voice in protest?

      That is the verbal equivalent of what happens at protest and protector sites, i should know that, i have been there, its just police and “security” intimidation and bullying of anyone who dares to stand up and say “NO!” No difference on Drill Or Drop at all is it? Same strategy, same methodology.

      The whole script is being revealed bit by bit, well done, thank you for providing this little insight, lets see what the script demands next shall we?

      Probably more furious venom.

      Always an education martin.

      Such fun!

      And yes, you did read this.

  8. ‘It is tempting if the only tool you have is a hammer to treat everything as if it were a nail. To build a brighter future, tool up’ – Maslow

  9. Of all the concerns presented by fracking – subsidance, earth quake, letching of chemicals into water, property damage, methane blow offs… CLIMATE CHANGE IS THE STUPIDEST LEAST CONCERN OF ALL. CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOT A REASON FOR THINGS. Might as well say the SUN GOD WONT BE HAPPY.

    Blow off totalitarian religious environNUTS.

    • What an…..interesting……turn of phrase?

      Sadly reminiscent of someone we are familiar with?

      But never mind, I am sure you are quite legitimate….Cindy? Is it?

      However, would you care to gather your evidence for this undoubtedly……fascinating…….statement?

      And maybe you could refer it to these eminent scientists?

      http://www.climatechange2018.org/

      I am sure they would just love to discuss in great depth, your opinion and undoubtedly richly phrased and erudite scientific terminology?

      Perhaps when you have gathered together your undoubtedly extensive and far reaching wealth of scientific evidence for your claims, you could publish it here for us mere mortals to be enlightened by?

      Wishing you all the best.
      Thankyou.

  10. That should cause a stir Cindy! I noticed you received a response, but the last time I thought to see if the author had some knowledge to offer, I read that agricultural vehicles were run off vegetable oil (not could, were), and some rather strange justification regarding “red” diesel which avoided the fact it is red to identify it for agricultural use and stop it being used in other vehicles, thus cheating the tax man. A good one for those in a rural/ semi rural area where fracking might be planned. Since then, I have occasionally glanced to see whether there are any more amusing quotations. Good luck.

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