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Election results round-up

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DrillOrDrop has compiled election results from areas with oil and gas sites. We’ve also reviewed the results for key politicians in the fracking debate

Please let us know about missing results which you think should be included.


Results from key sites

Altcar Moss

West Lancashire – Labour hold

Labour’s Rosie Cooper, who has campaigned against fracking plans by Aurora Energy Resources at Altcar Moss, held her seat but with a reduced share of the vote. Ms Cooper took 27,458 votes (52.1%, down 6.8%). The Conservative candidate, Jack Gilmore, took 19,122 votes, a share of 36.3%, down 1.1%. Aurora’s planning application for the site on the edge of Formby is currently with Lancashire County Council.

Arreton and Godshill

Isle of Wight – Conservative hold

The Conservative, Bob Seely, increased his share of the vote to hold the seat with a majority of 23,737. He took 41,815 votes (56.2%), compared with the Labour candidate, Richard Quigley, on 18,078. UK Oil & Gas has organised a meeting on Monday (December 16 2019) about its plans to drill for oil at Arreton and Godshill.

Balcombe

Horsham – Conservative hold

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Drilling equipment leaving the Balcombe site in 2013. Photo: David Burr

The Conservatives held on to the constituency, which includes Angus Energy’s Balcombe site in West Sussex. Jeremy Quinn, first elected in 2015, had a majority of 21,127 (56.8%), down 2.8% on 2017. The Liberal Democrats, who said they would ban fracking, increased their share of the vote by 11% to 23.4% (14,773). Angus Energy has applied for planing permission to carry out long-term production testing at the site. A decision is expected in 2020.

Biscathorpe

Louth and Horncastle – Conservative hold

The Conservative, Victoria Atkins, held this rural constituency where Egdon Resources drilled an oil exploration well in January 2019. The well was sealed a month later after failing to find its target. But Egdon’s partners have raised money to drill a sidetrack at the site. Ms Atkins took 72.7% of the vote (38,021 votes), up 8.7% on 2017. Labour’s candidate, Ellie Green, who came second, was down 9.2% (9,153 votes).

Brockham

Mole Valley – Conservative hold

Sir Paul Beresford, who has been sympathetic to anti-drilling campaigns in the constituency, kept his seat with a 12,041 majority. His share of the vote, at 55.4%, was down 6.4% on 2017. The Liberal democrats increased their share by 15% to 34.3% (19,615 votes). The constituency includes the Angus Energy oil site at Brockham and the planned site at Bury Hill Wood, near Leith Hill, never drilled and now abandoned by Europa Oil & Gas. Lisa Scott, a campaigner against oil operations in the region, came fourth for the Green Party (1,874 votes).

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North East Derbyshire – Conservative hold

The Conservative, Lee Rowley, who opposed Ineos’s permitted shale exploration plans, as well as fracking locally, held this seat. He also welcomed the government’s announcement of a moratorium on fracking. He took 28,897 votes (58.7%), up 9.5% on 2017. Labour’s candidate, Chris Peace, was second with 32.6% (16,021 votes), down 11% on 2017. Labour had held the constituency uninterrupted since 1935 until 2017.

Broadford Bridge

Arundel and South Downs

The Conservatives held Arundel and the South Downs – which includes UKOG’s Broadford Bridge site – with a new candidate. Nick Herbert, who had opposed plans to fast-track shale gas through the planning system, did not stand for re-election. His party’s replacement, Andrew Griffith, took 35,566 votes, a majority of 22,521 over the Liberal Democrats. The Conservatives share of the vote was down 4.4% on 2017.

Dunsfold

South West Surrey – Conservative hold

Boris Johnson’s rival for the Conservative leadership, Jeremy Hunt, held on to the seat which now has a proposed UK Oil & Gas exploration site at Dunsfold. Mr Hunt polled 32,191 votes, a majority of 8,817 over the Lib Dems. He had slightly reduced share of the vote (-2.4%). Labour came third. There were no other candidates. The Dunsfold planning application is due to be decided by Surrey County Council early in 2020.

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Justin Madders, speaking in parliament on 28 March 2019. Photo: Parliament TV

Ellesmere Port and Ince Marshes

Ellesmere Port & Neston – Labour hold

Labour’s Justin Madders, who opposed IGas operations in the constituency, including at a public inquiry, held his seat with 53.3% share of the vote and a majority of 8,764 seats. His vote was down 5.8%. The Conservative candidate, who took 35.4% saw her share fall 1.4%. The seat also includes the Ince Marshes, where IGas has said it wants to frack two wells. It has said it will wait for the decision of the Ellesmere Port appeal, which will be made by the local government secretary.

Harthill and Woodsetts

Rother Valley – Conservative gain from Labour

The Conservatives took this seat held by Labour since the constituency was formed in 1918. The party’s candidate, Alexander Stafford, said he opposed fracking at Woodsetts, where Ineos is waiting to hear if it has planning permission for shale gas exploration. He said he would “fight tooth and nail” to protect Woodsetts and other villages from fracking. He won the seat with 45.1% of the vote (21,970 votes), pushing Labour into second place with 32% (15,652). Ineos has planning permission to drill for shale gas at Harthill. Rother Valley had been held by Labour’s Sir Kevin Barron, who had been elected nine times but stood down before the election.

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Site at Woodsetts earmarked by Ineos for shale gas drilling with panels representing height of proposed acoustic barrier, 14 June 2019. Photo: Woodsetts Against Fracking

Horse Hill

Reigate – Conservative hold

Crispin Blunt held Reigate for the Conservatives, with a majority of 18,310 over Labour. The constituency includes the Horse Hill oil site, which was granted permission for long-term oil production and five new wells in September 2019. Mr Blunt increased his majority in 2017 by nearly 700 votes but saw his share of the vote fall by 3.5%. Jonathan Essex, the local Green Party councillor and campaigner against onshore oil and gas operations, came fourth with 3,169 votes (6%).

Kirby Misperton, Third Energy’s permitted fracking site

Thirsk and Malton – Conservative hold

Kevin Hollinrake, who has supported fracking nationally and in the constituency, increased his share of the vote on 2017 by 2.9% to 35,634. Dinah Keal, a local Lib Dem councillor and opponent of fracking, came third with 6,774, increasing the party’s share of the vote on 2017 by 5.1%.

North Kelsey

Gainsborough – Conservative hold

Edward Leigh held the seat which includes Egdon’s Resources’ oil exploration site at North Kelsey site, near Caistor in Lincolnshire. He took 33,893 votes (66.4%) with a majority over Labour fo nearly 23,000. No work has been carried out at North Kelsey since the site was first granted planning permission in 2014.

Preston New Road

Fylde – Conservative hold

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Cuadrilla’s Preston New Road shale gas site, 11 December 2019. Photo: Maxine Gill

The Conservative, Mark Menzies, has called for a ban on fracking in the constituency since Cuadrilla’s operation at Preston New Road caused earth tremors. He increased his share of the vote by 2.1% and polled 28,432 votes. The Green candidate and MEP, Gina Dowding, took 1,731 votes, the share up 1% on 2017. Labour came second with 11,821 seats, the share down 8.1% on 2017.

Springs Road, Misson

Bassetlaw – Conservative gain

The Conservatives took Bassetlaw from Labour. John Mann, who left parliament in October 2019, had opposed plans to fast track shale gas exploration. He held the seat since 2001 and Labour had represented it continuously since 1935. The new MP, Brendan Clarke-Smith, took 55.2% of the vote (28,078) and had a majority of 14,013.

West Newton

Beverley and Holderness – Conservative hold

Conservative Graham Stuart held his seat which includes Rathlin Energy’s oil and gas site at West Newton. He took 33,250 votes, a majority of 20,448 over Labour. His share of the vote, 67.2%, was up 3.7% on 2017.

Wressle

Brigg and Goole – Conservative hold

Conservative Andrew Percy held this constituency north of Scunthorpe, where Egdon Resources wants to carry out long-term oil production at the Wressle site. A decision on Egdon’s appeal was held up by the election and could now be imminent. Mr Percy secured 30,941 votes, a majority of 21,941. His share of the vote, on 71.3%, was up 10.9%.

Scunthorpe – Conservative gain

North Lincolnshire county councillor Holly Munby Croft overturned a Labour majority of more than 3,400 to take the neighbouring Scunthorpe constituency. She polled 20,306 votes, increasing the Conservative share by more than 10%. Mrs Mumby-Croft had previously opposed proposals by Egdon Resources for the Wressle site. The former Labour MP Nic Dakin came second with 13,855 votes.

Results for key fracking politicians

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Mike Amesbury MP addresses 100 Women protest, Parliament Square. Photo: DrillOrDrop

Labour’s Mike Amesbury just clung on to Weaver Vale in Cheshire with a majority of 562. Mr Amesbury has campaigned against fracking in his constituency, which has Ineos shale gas licences, and the wider region.

Ed Davey, now one of two joint acting leaders of the Lib Dems, held Kingston & Surbiton with an increased share of the vote. He polled 31,103 (51.1%), ahead of the Conservatives on 20,614 (33.9%). Mr Davey has claimed that his traffic light system on induced seismicity, introduced during the Conservative-Lib Dem coalition, had stopped or suspended many fracking projects.

Labour’s fracking supporter, Caroline Flint, lost her seat in Don Valley. The seat, held continuously by Labour since 1922, went to the Conservative, Nick Fletcher, with a majority of 3,630. The constituency has exploration licences held by IGas and Egdon Resources

The anti-fracking Conservative, Zac Goldsmith, lost his seat in Richmond Park to the Liberal Democrat, Sarah Olney. She polled 34,559 votes, a majority of 7,766, increasing the Lib Dem share of the vote by 8%.

Andrea Leadsom, the business and energy secretary who announced a moratorium on fracking last month, held Northamptonshire South for the Conservatives. She took 41,755 votes (62.4%) with a 0.1% reduced share of the vote.

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Caroline Lucas MP at climate rally in Brighton, 20 September 2019. Photo: Office of Caroline Lucas

Caroline Lucas held her seat for the Greens at Brighton Pavilion, increasing her share of the vote by 4.9% to 57.2%. Labour came second and the Conservatives third. Ms Lucas has campaigned against fracking and the UK onshore oil and gas industry. She was arrested but acquitted of obstructing the highway after protests outside the Balcombe oil site in West Sussex. She remains the only Green Party MP in parliament

Labour’s Chris Matheson held City of Chester, where IGas holds exploration licences. He gave evidence at the IGas inquiry into plans to test for gas at Ellesmere Port. His share of the vote fell 7.1% but he had a 6,164 vote majority over the Conservatives.

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Dennis Skinner MP at Westminster rally, 5 March 2019. Photo: DrillOrDrop

Labour’s veteran and an anti-fracking campaigner Dennis Skinner lost Bolsover to the Conservatives. He had held the seat, where Ineos now has shale gas licences, since 1970. Until last night, Bolsover has returned a Labour MP since its creation in 1950. The Conservative, Mark Fletcher, took the seat with 21,791 votes (47.4%), a majority of 5,299.

Angela Smith, the pro-fracking former Labour MP who joined the Lib Dems, came a distant third in Altrincham and Sale West. She took 6,036 votes (11% of the vote) behind second-placed Labour and the Conservative, Graham Brady. All the other former MPs who left Labour and the Conservatives failed to be re-elected.

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    • Well, there’s no show with out Punch is there?

      Interesting isn’t it ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls? That those who screech “fake news” and other meaningless epithets the loudest, are always the ones who are patently and demonstrably guilty themselves?

      Apparently such terms abound most amongst those for whom reality is merely a word, not a fact.

      So let’s look at “battery farming” (relating of course to animals kept in disgusting cruel viscous and inhumane conditions) shall we? In 2012, in theory due to the changed EU regulations, animals were no longer to be kept in “battery farm” conditions, they were seen to be unnecessarily cruel, restrictive and harmful.

      But of course in actual fact all that the “battery farmers” did, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, was change the name from “battery farming” to “enriched cages” with a few minor insignificant changes to the tiny restrictive space and freedom of movement and “de beaking”.

      Those tiny changes to space and conditions actually made no significant differences whatsoever to the conditions to the chickens that are forced to suffer and endure for their entire miserable existence. Its not just chickens either. Does anyone perhaps think that “battery farming” no longer exists in the UK simply because it is no longer able to called “battery farming”? Sorry to disappoint you, but the truth is, as always far darker than “fake news”.

      The Guardian. Sun 24 Apr 2016 09.00 BST (four years after so called “battery farming” was made illegal)
      “If consumers knew how farmed chickens were raised, they might never eat their meat again”

      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/24/real-cost-of-roast-chicken-animal-welfare-farms

      “The year 2012 marked a leap forward for animal welfare in the European Union. Farmers were no longer allowed to keep egg-laying hens in barren battery cages smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Instead, the minimum requirement now is that hens are kept in a cage the size of an A4 sheet of paper, with an extra postcard-sized bit of shared space that allows them to scratch and nest. These are known as “enriched cages”.
      Animal welfare campaigners would like to see them abolished too, saying they barely make a difference to the birds’ ability to express their natural behaviour and live free from stress. Around half of the eggs we eat are still produced in caged systems.
      We’re stuffing ourselves with battery chicken. And it’s stuffing the souls of the workers, too
      Michele Hanson
      Full debeaking to prevent hens pecking each other is no longer allowed either, but beak clipping is still permitted in egg-laying hens. Their primary sensory organ is typically clipped at a day old, whether caged or free range. “Progress” here is that farmers must now use infrared lasers to carry out the process rather than the hot blade of previous days. It is cleaner but remains painful to the bird.”

      So all the battery farming conditions persist with only such insignificant modifications, it is battery farming in all but name, they simply call it something else.

      Now where have we seen that changing the name of something analogy before? Fracking is not Fracking if its only 10,000 m3 per day? Looks like fracking, smells like fracking, pollutes like fracking, poisons the air like fracking, causes earthquakes like fracking, then it must be fracking isnt it.

      “The battery farm calves: Shocking photos show young cattle squeezed into cramped cages by farm that supplies milk to Marks & Spencer” Five years after so called battery farming was theoretically made illegal under UK following the EU directives on such practices.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4354586/Shocking-pictures-calves-battery-farm-Dorset.html

      “The battery farm calves: Shocking photos show young cattle squeezed into cramped cages by farm that supplies milk to Marks & Spencer

      “By Sean Poulter Consumer Affairs Correspondent For The Daily Mail 22:00, 27 Mar 2017 , updated 17:18, 20 Jun 2017

      “Animal Equality director, Dr Toni Shephard, said: ‘Seeing row after row of baby calves alone in tiny pens, when they should naturally still be with their mothers, is truly heartbreaking. But realising that some of these young female cows have been confined like this for months on end without exercise or companionship is shocking.”

      “UK law recognises how important social interaction is for calves and restricts solitary housing to just eight weeks. Yet on this farm we found calves that were several months old in pens on their own.”

      So in the case of animal cruelty and criminal confinement, the term “battery farming” is avoided by mere fractions of a percent relative to those conditions that “coined” the term in the first place. Therefore, as in all things from such as those, the facts are more revealing than silly little epithets and concealments of the truth that they have become so infamous for.

      Of course, following the post Brexit lie, deregulation and the proposed USA trade deals, and once the EU animal cruelty and food standards regulations are dispensed with, just like all the other protections we took for granted. What few insignificant animal conditions and freedoms, relative to battery farming there are, will no doubt disappear too.

      Those are just a few cases, you will find many more if you look hard enough beyond the usual tory owned media drivel.

      So there you have it as plain as the new dawn of the tory day ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. Battery farming in all but name, just like it will be deregulation of business as usual into a corporate free for all in 2020.

      Facts are always more edifying than those individuals who can only screech “fake news” “parasites” and “narcissists” and hide behind their customary “total black out”, or perhaps “total blue out” blinkers aren’t they.

      Once again, have a Happy Truthful Christmas and a Peaceful Truthful New Year. To children, everywhere.

      [Figure corrected at poster’s request]

      • So, battery egg farms no longer allowed! Agreed. Yippee! Progress.

        (By the way, egg layers were kept in battery cages, not chickens for roasting!! Good old Guardian! Throw out some rubbish and it will be devoured and regurgitated.)

        Try Giggling “Broiler Chicken Production”, and look for the factual stuff around chickens for roasting rather than any activist nonsense. Several different housing systems-but not incorporating cages!

        Red diesel is red but not to distinguish it from vegetable oil! The taxation reason quite easy to find there also.

        Seems to be a trend.

        No knowledge of a subject, but a need to imply to others there is. I really wonder whether some are so lazy they do not bother to check themselves. Probably, as the BBC were telling us a couple of weeks ago turkeys would be expensive this Christmas yet my newspapers are full of adverts for modestly priced turkeys. Trust there were not too many who bought other options and are now upset. There will be some-those who don’t use common sense, or fact check.
        Maybe in 2020 more people will do their own research and discover their own knowledge rather than accept fake news? Plenty of it out there, and plenty to peddle it. Good job the children are now receiving instruction how to tell reality from fake news.

        A little extra reality for those who wish to embrace it. UK animal welfare standards already better than the EU. The UK have already decided that, leaving the EU will NOT reduce UK animal welfare standards but will probably allow for further improvement. Why so much bacon imported from EU to UK? Because, UK sets higher standards for pig production that adds cost and then many UK consumers decide they would prefer the cheaper imported stuff! Seems that is okay for some reference imports from EU but not USA, but I expect the many consumers will eventually have their say against the some.

        This Factcheck was supplied to enable the public to be accurately informed. Enjoy.

        • Dear me! What a storm of unsubstantiated outrage and unverified accusations? That must have been stored up for far too long in that capacious pot boiler rage machine? If it wasn’t so sad it would be funny.

          Talk about hitting raw nerves? There must be entire battery farms of “enriched cages” of raw nerves in that little scream of outrage and vitriol there isn’t there ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

          But do we see there any empathy or sympathy whatsoever for animals let alone humans in situations of obscene and severe conditions at this time of year and all the rest of the year after 12 years of austerity and attrition?

          Nope! None, nada, zilch, nothing. And is that a surprise? No, of course it isn’t. We’ve been here before and it was clear then and it is clear now.

          What the clearly linked and completely verified clearly substantiated truth reveals about battery farming is that there is no empathy for humans or animals whatsoever from that source. That we established long ago.

          We see there is no comment that poverty and degradation of humans and animals has any effect at all on that way of thinking. No care, no concern, nothing of any human value whatsoever. No plan to help people over the Christmas holidays or at any other time of year. No contribution, nothing thought, nothing said, nothing felt.

          To that source, as clearly stated there, they are on their own, disowned and ignored, out on the street, in poverty, no care or concern, and the devil take the hindmost.

          But if I dare to say one little phrase amongst all that truth that dares to criticise battery farming by another name and suddenly it’s all claws out and dragging out any old discredited nonsense to pretend that there is any substance to any repudiation in any way at all. As usual from that source, just a lot of hot air without substance or meaning.

          What does that tell us ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls?

          That barely dry fresh new coat of blue paint on those old fossilised bones rubs off so easily [edited by moderator]

          This [edited by moderator] repeated below here clearly applies to the one who contributed it.

          “No knowledge of a subject, but a need to imply to others there is. I really wonder whether some are so lazy they do not bother to check themselves.”

          “Maybe in 2020 more people will do their own research and discover their own knowledge rather than accept fake news? Plenty of it out there, and plenty to peddle it. Good job the children are now receiving instruction how to tell reality from fake news.”

          Well that fake news is far too late. The children saw through the lies and fake news that we see perpetrated here by the deniers of truth, and the children did that themselves. No Tory fake news “instruction” (indoctrination) from such a source [edited by moderator], had or will have any effect on them. They know the truth about the theft of their future and the destruction of the ecology of the planet already. No attempted fake news will change that.

          And we all know what Tory “fact check” is worth don’t we? More like a fat cheque for the perpetrators!

          And these utterly laughable claims of “reality” are anything but from that source as I said before. They wouldn’t know reality if it jumped up and voted for them.

          So there we see it ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, the total and utter lack of empathy for anything and anyone. No promises to do anything about the homeless, the poverty of millions of families in UK, no presents for the deprived children in their blue meanie world, or for the obscene degradation of animals kept in disgusting conditions.

          Now we can see what ten years of lies in the Tory press did to Jeremy Corbyn. Repeat the same old lies often enough and people will accept that as truth and not question it. Apparently they did believe it. That says more about the perpetrator of fake news in the Tory owned press and media than it does about anyone else.

          All we see now is a desperate defense of a system of cruelty and obscenity that only exists to conceal what really happens to real people in this country, not some fake news fictitious drivel we get in lieu of any thing intelligent or humane.

          Bah humbug is all we get from them.Truth is always better than fiction isn’t it ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

          Well to everyone else, have a Great Honest to Goodness Christmas and a Peaceful and Truthful New Year and look after those who are worse off than yourselves. The Boris blue meanies can dwell on their nightmare before Christmas and wallow in their self love until reality bites in 2020.

          Enjoy!

          Enjoy!

  1. So, there you have it!

    Caught out trying to post about something without knowledge-AGAIN-and rather than apologise [edited by moderator] a load of fog and nonsense.

    Someone seems to be rather upset regarding JCs demise. Fog and nonsense still swirling around that, as well. But, days will pass and the fog will disperse and the nonsense will be left isolated. I did forecast 30 seat majority for Boris, but underestimated the good sense of the British public-many not Tory by any stretch of even the imagination of Foggy.

    I certainly have empathy for animals having actually had the experience of looking after a large number of them, so I can post from experience-and get the facts right as a result. (A rare breed within a field of cull cows!) Others waffle about feather pecking as if it is a minor social infringement, whereas in reality it is the first stage of cannibalism and can become endemic within a flock of chickens. Try managing and treating that and it may just change an opinion here and there. Chickens, and pigs, are omnivores, so forget that and there are issues. Animal welfare includes keeping animals safe from other animal habits. Or, maybe some think letting their dogs lose within a field of sheep is showing empathy for the dog? Some do, but I trust those who frequent this site and plan a Boxing Day walk with Fido, have a little more sense and recognise reality.

    • Martin, I have been watching your words since our last conversation several days ago. You have just posted this –

      “So, there you have it!

      Caught out trying to post about something without knowledge-AGAIN-and rather than apologise [edited by moderator] a load of fog and nonsense.”

      Martin, you have just posted your own confession to your own crimes. I will repeat your own words to you to make sure you understand your own guilt in this respect.

      “You were caught out trying to post about something without knowledge – AGAIN – and rather than apologise [no moderation required] a load of fog and nonsense.”

      That is exactly what you attempted to do to me. Do you remember that? Clearly you have a very poor and conveniently selective memory.

      Martin, once again, i will explain to your your own actions.

      Crime number one – You failed to admit your own actions in dishonesty and are accusing someone else of here. You said you had watched the ITV head to head between Jeremy Corbyn and Boris Johnson and clearly you had not. I mentioned the question on climate change.

      Crime number two – You then proceeded to tell me i had lied and there was no question on climate change in that head to head. But there was a question on climate change wasn’t there. You didn’t know that because you hadn’t watched it as you said you had.
      I went into very precise detail of the fact you were wrong and had not admitted it and that you had accused me of lying.

      Crime number three – You then proceeded to avoid admitting that you had told two porkies in a row and tried to wriggle out of it by changing the subject and producing a load of twaddle and conspiracy theory that in no way met or even approached the truth.

      Crime number four – You try to accuse others of your own accusations and then make that same accusation you are guilty of yourself.

      Again Martin apologise to me now for saying i was lying. Demonstrably it was you that had committed the crime that you had accused me of.

      Apologise to me now for saying you had watched the head to head when clearly you had not.

      Apologise to me now for trying accuse me of lying about the fact that was a question on climate change.

      apologise to me now for ignoring the very precise detail that there was a question on climate change and what it was and when it was.

      Apologise to me now for trying to wriggle out of admitting it and changing the context of the question.

      Apologise to me now for attempting to accuse someone else for the action you yourself committed to me.

      That is all you have to do. The rest of it is up to you to apologise to the other person you have accused

      • Oops! I don’t think you have made a busom buddy fan there old fruit? Looks like a bit of a thumbs downer there ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

        Never mind, lets see what chicken the cat dragged in shall we?

        “So, there you have it!”

        No old thing, you don’t have anything.

        “Caught out trying to post about something without knowledge-AGAIN-and rather than apologise [edited by moderator] a load of fog and nonsense”

        Nope! that is one of your fantasies again isnt it.

        Are you talking about yourself AGAIN old thing? I know its your favourite subject above all else, but its getting rather tedious old fruit. Apparently it is you who needs to apologise? I have nothing to apologise for except maybe telling the truth. A rare and precious commodity in this Tory wasteland. Certainly no evidence of that rare and precious commodity in your post.

        “Someone seems to be rather upset regarding JCs demise. Fog and nonsense still swirling around that, as well. But, days will pass and the fog will disperse and the nonsense will be left isolated. I did forecast 30 seat majority for Boris, but underestimated the good sense of the British public-many not Tory by any stretch of even the imagination of Foggy.”

        Not at all old thing. Incidentally i am not upset at all with JC’s demise?? In fact i believe he has risen again and passed to that heavenly parliament in the sky for all your sins to be expurgated with more and more urgency down here. The last nails of freedom and democracy are being banged in as we speak.

        And then you desperately return to that old tired and distrusted name calling game. As if that has any meaning to anyone anymore. Well i am pleased to announce that i will be “The End of Fog”, old thing. And that is the end of your empty meaningless little foggy world of silly nonsense words.

        Oh! You mean the OTHER JC? You know you really need to be less biblically ambiguous in those maniacal scribblings of yours.

        As for that more recent earthly JC body? As you very well know i am apolitical. I don’t have any respect for any politicians. I understand that to be reciprocated, for all of us. Some perhaps a little more than others, but, certainly not anyone who deals in the dirty game of politics and expects to keep their soul un-scorched afterwards.

        So, no sorry old thing. I have no upset or joy at anything resembling such a thing. Positive or negative. Politicians are an unnecessary waste of space. The only thing that keeps them thinking they own us, is their own ego, their own greed and their own power hungry insanity.

        I have said before, it is an unfortunate legacy of the pack instinct. Most people look for a pack leader, apparently the more greedy and stupid the better. And that is what they get. People seem to think that some rabid receded fore-headed lunatic will somehow allow them to hand over all their responsibility for their own existence.

        Barely post reptilian if you ask me. No one wants a clever intelligent gentle leader, that is too boring, they could do that themselves, so they vote for the worst recidivist regressive genes in the pack and then they will have someone to blame for all their own failures.

        We should have a yearly sacrifice of our leaders like the Aztecs. If the new gods don’t hand over the goods, we eat them and vote in another and they then will know the consequences of failure. Sounds a plan to me.

        But it looks like you are sold on the Anti-Crisis? You had better watch out for The Horny One. The Horny One and his bruised blue meanie minions tends to sacrifice anyone who is not a sycophant and take those who follow him blindly straight down to that fracture horizon below all fracture horizons. So you at least qualify there.

        “I certainly have empathy for animals having actually had the experience of looking after a large number of them, so I can post from experience-and get the facts right as a result. (A rare breed within a field of cull cows!) Others waffle about feather pecking as if it is a minor social infringement, whereas in reality it is the first stage of cannibalism and can become endemic within a flock of chickens.”

        Again you display no empathy or sympathy for humans? Only chickens, now reluctantly extended to “animals”? So i was correct, you really don’t have any empathy or sympathy for the plight of millions of people in UK that are on or below the poverty line, and nothing for soup kitchens and foodbanks, presents for children or any regard or care for the homeless?

        Well you said old fruit, not me? I guess that comes from too much affinity for the Anti-Crisis will do that? There is no accounting for taste is there? Perhaps cannibalism will be less palatable, once that ultimate destination is arrived at, and begin to understand the position of the feast rather than the consumer?

        Lets see what else you say?

        “Try managing and treating that and it may just change an opinion here and there. Chickens, and pigs, are omnivores, so forget that and there are issues. Animal welfare includes keeping animals safe from other animal habits. Or, maybe some think letting their dogs lose within a field of sheep is showing empathy for the dog? Some do, but I trust those who frequent this site and plan a Boxing Day walk with Fido, have a little more sense and recognise reality.”

        Well, still nothing about empathy or sympathy for human beings? I don’t pretend to discern where that all comes from, but perhaps as i said above, consumerism is a privilege, being consumed is not.

        Incidentally just to spoil your day, i stand by the linked reports i supplied. Battery farming is alive…just….and barely kicking, if not coughing up blood. Another triumph of the name changers amongst the money lenders. No change there, not in monetary terms anyway.

        Thats it. That all you got?

        Shame? I was enjoying that!

        Never mind. Off you go. The Horny One is calling for your sacrifice to “The Great Prophet God”. Oops! Oh, sorry. “The Great Profit God”. Take your own collection bowl…..if you know what i mean…..

        Well this was fun! we must….not….do this again sometime. Dont forget that collection bowl, it gets messy otherwise…..

        Merry….whatever….

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