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Oil company seeks to block campaigners from injunction challenge

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Faith at the Gate event at Horse Hill, 29 December 2019. Photo: Faith at the Gate

Lawyers for UK Oil & Gas said five women campaigners should be barred from trying to quash an injunction against protests at its sites in Surrey and Sussex.

The campaigners had said the company’s injunction, covering specific protests at Horse Hill and Broadford Bridge, no longer complied with the law. They asked the High Court to strike it out.

But UKOG told a court hearing, conducted by Skype today, that the women were not entitled to bring the case and accused them of abuse of the legal process.

The argument had been expected to take 30 minutes but lasted all day. A decision is expected next week.

“Change in law on injunctions”

Stephanie Harrison QC, for the campaigners, argued that the court should hear the women, as long-standing opponents of the onshore oil and gas industry in southern England.

They had a right to argue that the injunction should be quashed, she said. Court judgements had changed the law on injunctions since the UKOG order was granted in 2018.

Earlier this month, an appeal court ruling in a case brought by the fashion retailer, Canada Goose, said companies should seek to identify specific people – at least by description – against whom they sought a protest injunction. They should not rely solely, as UKOG and other oil and gas companies had done, on injunctions against “persons unknown”.

UKOG has responded by seeking to add 116 people to its injunction, either named or identified from images. But Ms Harrison said:

“The existing [UKOG] claim, as originally and currently constituted, against ‘persons unknown’ was always unlawful, unjustifiable, procedurally unfair, and an abuse of process.”

She said:

“The only lawful, fair and appropriate course is for the court to bring an end to the proceedings as currently constituted.”

The campaigners have criticised the way UKOG identified and notified the additional people. Ms Harrison said the company should be required to bring what she described as “properly constituted new proceedings”:

 “The court can, and should, in the interests of justice, give us the opportunity to say why the order is legally flawed and incompatible with human rights.”

If the women were unable to take part in the case it would, she said,

“result in no represented parties at all to make any submissions and to give evidence to the court to challenge the Claimant’s [UKOG’s] description of the facts and the law”.

Ms Harrison added that the Court of Appeal in the Canada Goose case had stressed that civil injunctions were a “blunt instrument” for balancing the rights of companies and individuals who wanted to protest.

She said the UKOG injunction would continue indefinitely until a trial to decide whether it should be made final.

“No right to be heard”

Timothy Polli QC, for UKOG, said of the five campaigners:

“They have no remaining legal interest in this litigation and they have no right to be heard.”

They also had no right to represent “persons unknown” or the additional 116 people added to the injunction, he said. Nor did they have the right to challenge the injunction.

He said UKOG had never sought to pursue a claim against the campaigners:

“They joined themselves to the proceedings. Although they did so ostensibly in order to protect their rights to protest lawfully, in fact they sought to oppose the making of any injunction.”

He told the court that the campaigners had originally been concerned that any protest activity could be covered by a clause in the injunction preventing people from conspiring together to damage the company. UKOG had accepted this gave them an interest in the case, he said, but this clause was now being removed from the injunction.

“There is nothing left for them to defend.”

Mr Polli said the injunction was time-limited because a trial was due to take place in December 2020 or January 2021.

He said the addition of the 116 identified individuals also meant the women were no longer required as defendants.

“The proceedings no longer need them to speak for the described persons unknown.”

He also accused the campaigners of “re-treading old arguments” about the UKOG injunction.

“It is an abuse of process to reopen the substance of the injunction. There have been no developments in the context of the body of the order.”

The campaigners had been due to appeal against the UKOG injunction in 2019 but they withdrew their case before it began.

Ms Harrison said the arguments that would have been made had already been won in a separate successful appeal against the Ineos injunction a few months earlier. But Mr Polli said the campaigners should have pursued the appeal and he accused them of not wanting to risk the Ineos ruling being “watered down”.

“Legal representation needed”

Lorraine Inglis, speaking for Weald Action Group, which is supporting the five women, said this evening:

“We didn’t even get off the starting blocks. Using Skype was difficult and it didn’t seem to allow for people with limited access to technology to get a fair hearing.

“Without legal representatives being able to present all the arguments to the court, including human rights, it will be difficult for anyone to come forward and oppose this injunction.

“It bans forms of protest that are lawful and lists people who pose no threat to UKOG’s activities. Recent court judgements have changed the law on injunctions and we have every right to continue defending the public interest in our right to protest.”

  • Chief Master Marsh, the court official hearing today’s case, said he would deliver his ruling on the campaigners’ role in the case at 2pm on either Wednesday 8 April or Thursday 9 April 2020.

 

 

10 replies »

  1. Maybe UKOG should apply for anti social behaviour orders & restraining orders against identified protesters who break the law or cost the company money!

    • Dear me, surely UKOG have better things to do in these times of tragic worldwide events?

      Perhaps it would be more appropriate for the entire public population of England should join together and apply for social restraining orders to stop the litterally anti social behavioural orders of UKOG’s petty childish waste of the courts time effort and money in these times?

      Maybe UKOG should be laughed, or rather sneezed out of court for acting like spoilt little children trying to take out restraining orders on anyone that will not play it’s laughably bizarre little games anymore……?

      Grow up UKOG. Stop wasting everyone’s time and try to do something intelligent for a change.

      UKOG could act like adults for a change to actually help people affected by their operations in this pandemic. There are many who need help locally. UKOG could use their vehicles to deliver food and necessary supplies to those who are suffering right now. Become part of the community, and not to continually work to their detriment in such a way.

      It would be better for UKOG to use their resources to instead work to organise support and help for those beset by the pandemic restrictions local to their operations.

      That would be much better to use that time effort and money wasted on such pathetic efforts to actually do some good in the world, not pathetically victimise “fictitious imaginary unknown unknowns”.

      Or maybe should UKOG continue with this childish waste of everyone’s time, effort and money, it will be appropriate to refer to UKOG as “UFOG” from now on?

      Wake up UKOG, or “UFOG” will be forever what people will call you.

      • For those who apparently prefer monosallybic redacted posts.

        UKOG would be better employed to become part of the solution, rather than being part of the disease.

  2. The case was by the ladies trying to quash an existing injunction. It would appear if anyone should have better things to do in this world it would be the ladies. What are they doing trying to overcome sensible social distancing instructions? They are NOT essential workers. We all have some currently in our communities thinking their “requirements” allow them to be anti social and place extra work and danger upon others.

    Last time I looked the majority of the ambulances and hospital transport were diesel powered, much of the protective gear made from oil, many of the ventilators containing high levels of plastics, and hand sanitiser being made for the NHS, free of charge, by INEOS. Most hospitals have their own stand by generators in case of power cuts, powered by you know what.

    UKOG are trying to produce more UK oil to replace imported oil, so taxation for the NHS, 6% of revenue to the local community as well. Claps are good, but funding is better.

    I have no guilt typing on a plastic keyboard. Some produce huge volumes upon the same and believe they are part of a solution! Nope. Just attempting to excite a few with fossil fueled misinformation. Ironic, isn’t it. Especially when they don’t know the difference between vegetable oil and red diesel!

    As stated after the Egdon inquiry:

    “There is no suggestion that this proposal would increase the use of hydrocarbons, and the evidence demonstrates that the effect would be simply to transfer production to a more local source.”

    Wytch Farm used to produce over 100k BoE/day, now down to 10-15k. UKOG have a long way to go to replace even part of that.

    So, the reality is that the ladies, and others, are the ones INCREASING the use of hydrocarbons by travelling to the site. They should have a look at how UK has off shored responsibility to others to produce what it needs, or may need. The current pandemic is demonstrating the folly around that, and the need to address it. It will be addressed. Maybe a site a few miles from a major consumer of oil by product (aviation fuel) that can send it’s output to a local refinery to be converted into that product and sent back via an existing pipeline is about as environmentally friendly as you can get, whilst people continue to use aircraft? And they will, which is why every airport in southern UK has expansion plans. Maybe delayed now, but not shelved. Force people to stop flying? Nope. You just end up pretty quickly with a new Government that doesn’t-it’s called democracy.

    • There’s no show without old punch drunk is there?

      You know Martin, you really do yourself no credit at all old thing, when you rant and rave in such a way as you do, using all those discredited and frankly laughable trigger words which are utterly meaningless little memes of your own defunct imagination. Still part of the problem and not the solution i see. No change there then.

      And what does Martin have to say? Nothing at all of any value to the subject matter of UFOG injunctions as usual of course. Just more empty rhetoric and laughable Red Dieselosaurus obsessive fixations spouted ad nauseam.

      Which are of course thoroughly disproved and discredited many years ago. But you have to hang on to something dont you? You certainly have nothing of any value to say. Desperation and obsession and empty trigger words make strange bedfellows apparently?

      Ironic isnt it, that we should take any notice at all whatsoever, from one who believes the Sun is fossil fuel powered and who lives on fictitious “planet B, C, D, E to Z”? not to mention having expressed a desire to exterminate the entire 7.5 odd billions of the Earth populations just to spout the same old spurious nonsense? Bizarre and nihilistic death cults abound it seems.

      Twas ever thus. Twill ever be so…..

      Now it appears to be saying that “ladies” are not essential personnel?

      Oops! Misogynistic labeling again. We’re getting the entire gamut of obsessions today arent we?

      Nothing could be further from the truth old thing. If you dont understand that, then you had better look in a mirror and ask yourself where you came from? The mirror cracks in response and the crowd fund goes wild……!

      Then we get the usual sycophantic Ineos and UFOG adulation.

      Lets talk about the truth of anti bacterial hand gel sanitisers Martin old thing. Hand gel sanitiser is merely a quick precaution. Many hand gel sanitisers are misnamed and contain anti biological agents and chemicals that you definitely dont want on your skin. Even your GP would not prescribe them.

      Skin is your best protector, any open wounds, scratches, lesions or rashes, represent a danger if hand gel sanitisers are used. Putting anti biotic agents and unknown chemicals on your skin only destroys as much of the good bacteria and natural protections like oil and natural good biological protection in your skin. Anti biological agents not washed off and removed as soon as possible, enables the pathological elements a chance to develop resistance to anti biotics and enter into your body. ask anyone who uses hand gel sanitisers too much and then washes their hands with soap and water several times a day. Does their skin feel sore and looks reddened? That is the result of too much caustic agents on the skin, and renders your skin actually more susceptible to further infection, not less. one of the best anti viral treatments in sunshine, the UV radiation kills virus’ on contact and promote vitamin D which is your bodies best protection fro disease. Look it up yourself.

      Anti biotics are something we are all warned about these days. So you should check the contents very thoroughly before using them. If in doubt, then wash your hands with soap and water immediately afterwards. Over use of hand gel sanitisers, more than say four times a day, can lead to cracked dry skin and let in more bugs and is in fact counter productive for any reliable method of hand cleansing. The best and really the only reliable method is to wash with soap and water and apply natural oil or natural moisturiser afterwards and then used sparingly to prevent the same skin deterioration effects.

      Then we get the usual drivel about diesel and plastics. Apparently some like to boast that they produce huge volumes of posts ad nauseam, from their plastic keyboards. That is one of those obsessive fixations we see displayed so often on Drill or Drop, However Martin old thing.
      however, i use an aluminium (not aluminum) keyboard and mouse and have done for several years now as is my computer case and screen surround. But the only reason we see that old polymerised plastic keyboard chestnut, is merely attempting to promote the plastics industry and the fossil fuel industry and demonise it for use by anyone else.

      I suggest we use anything that comes to hand to communicate and travel and wear or whatever we like, regardless of dictatorial pronouncements from those who cause the problems in the first place. Until that is, we can put this planet back to the state in which we found it. Then we can concentrate on those little things that seem to buzz around in those bonnets of the industry hacks so bizarrely and obsessively.

      An industry, which incidentally, have ransacked and polluted the planet so abysmally in the last hundred years or so. But that is changing drastically, and will change even more so from now on.

      There is plenty of evidence to suggest that fossil fuel industry primary cause is putting the planets entire ecology under so much poisonous stress, that it causes these biological effects to spread from denuded and diversity reduced habitats. Exterminated species and natural checks and balances on the natural world have caused animals to fall sick and find habitats closer to man.

      Mankind’s own fatalistic suicidal grossly greedy interference in the planets ecological systems has risen to bite us all in a place where no UV radiation shines and where some dwell continuously in their own egotistical shadow.

      We can only blame the greed and ignorance of those who only seek power and profit at any cost for bringing us all to this latest pandemic situation.

      Time to look in that mirror again Martin old thing. Ooops! there it goes again, another crack in the facade.

      What else do we see ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls? The usual Wytch Farm sychophantic drivel, and UKOG promotion as if they are not in the slightest bit responsible for the entire situation?

      And then there is an odd diversion into airlines and expansion plans? Was that in any way to discuss the injunction plans of UFOG? No? apparently not?

      But lets have a look at this latest diversion into airlines and fuel shall we?

      Have you heard about Bleed air and Toxic Fume Events perhaps? No? Well lets get into that a bit shall we?

      Fume events: The toxic gases that may be harming aircrew and passengers
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-51633897

      Flights: Insider reveals’toxic’ threat from the air we breathe onboard – is flying safe?
      https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1247105/Flights-toxic-bleed-air-aerotoxic-syndrome-passenger-crew-safety-british-airways

      Air crew have died from Aerotoxicity events caused by the cabin air circulation in airline planes being drawn off the “Bleed Air” from the compression section of the aero engine turbo fans. That has caused highly toxic air to be pumped around the cabins which on regular and repeated exposure has led to confusion, disorientation and death. Sickness and disorientation of passengers from the so called “jet lag” effects, may have quite a different cause than mere time difference effects.

      Not exactly an ideal situation in a plane flying at high altitude and for take off and landing procedures when the attention and concentration of the flight crew is paramount. Not to mention the poisonous effects to the passengers, particularly on short or long distance flights where Bleed Air is concerned.

      There are all sorts of court actions being taken on behalf of aircrew and passengers over these Aerotoxic fume events from Bleed Air being circulated around the crew and passenger cabins on airlines. Boeing being just one of them.

      So. not so whiter than white from the fossil fuel airlines perspective is it?

      That was fun!

      Have a nice day…..to children, everywhere.

    • FYI- It was a Skype hearing so no issues with social distancing.
      On the other hand, several of the women are essential workers in the pandemic. Please be respectful during this time.

  3. There’s always someone with the fake news, fake science and conspiracy theories trying to excite. That is how you get 5G masts torched.

    Not the right day to be trying the same in other respects Phil C, but that is what some do and see it as “fun”.

    Viruses are quite different to bacteria so antibiotics are useless against viruses. Ask a GP if you really doubt that. See how the fake science works children? Not only scientifically wrong but TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. Bacteria and viruses used to be part of the lessons around the age of 12 I recall. You wash your hands to remove the virus, if present, and thereby prevent it being transferred from your hands to your respiratory tract through your mouth or nose. Confusion between red diesel and vegetable oil, viruses and bacteria. No wonder education for children can be done away with, according to those who want to peddle such nonsense. Those educated may see the fake very quickly-many now have it as part of their curriculum to be able to do just that.

    So, if you wish to believe fake news, fake science and conspiracy theories then Phil C is your man. It is churned out as “fun” and when it is shown to be incorrect, then there is simply a deflection attempt, but the written word remains. I am sure current curriculums show that as a pattern, so the educated children will carry on learning. Others may be excited to burn masts.

    Fortunately, there will be many more of the former than the latter and for those silly enough to be so persuaded then there are always injunctions.

    So, my post of 9.26am was factually correct. Nothing fake. Some may not like some of the content and wish to deflect away from it.

    How? With fake science regarding viruses and bacteria, from someone who stated “engineering requires precise unambiguous language that cannot be misinterpreted, or hidden in vague terminology”. State one thing and do the opposite and hope no one will notice!

    Oh, but they do.

    • Ha! Oh dear! What a debacle of a post you dredge up Martin! Is making personal attacks the only way you can say anything rather than the subject of the post? Which is by the way “Oil company seeks to block campaigners from injunction challenge” in case your tirade has blinded you from seeing that at all?

      Better pin back the old lugs old thing, its going to be a very bumpy ride! See you at the other end.

      You still fail utterly to address what discredits anything you say in this context.

      You clearly stated that you believe that the sun is fossil fueled. It is not, as i pointed out before.

      You also say you believe people live on planet B, C, D, E or Z?

      Lets have a look at the real planets shall we?

      Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars (home to you?) Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, (no smut!) Neptune, and last but not least the no longer classed as a planet, Pluto. None of them habitable as far as we know so far. So what fictional planets are you referring to?

      Also, clearly you say you wish to destroy 7.5 billion people on Earth (planet A?) in the same post. You repeat utterly these discredited obsessive fixations about anything you think gives you any credibility at all. It does not.

      So why should anyone take any notice of anything you say if that is what you say? Maybe that fossil fuel dogma is still scratching at the door trying to get out Martin. I dont blame it. Better let it out for some fresh air, or it will leave a non fossil fuel package for you.

      Where did i mention 5g by the way? Is that another of your hang ups?

      As for hand gel sanitiser, i said nothing of the sort as you very well know. Again, just as that pathetic and totally discredited old Red Dieselosaurus fixation, you choose to utterly misrepresent the truth of what was said in order to suit your own fake news conspiracy theories. That is not even rational Martin. Not that it surprises me at all, judging from past performance.

      This is what i actually did say. Not your misrepresented fake news version.

      “Lets talk about the truth of anti bacterial hand gel sanitisers Martin old thing. Hand gel sanitiser is merely a quick precaution. Many hand gel sanitisers are misnamed and contain anti biological agents and chemicals that you definitely dont want on your skin. Even your GP would not prescribe them.”

      There you see, i didnt say that anti biotic agents kill virus at all did i, merely that they contain such things. You are wrong again.

      “Skin is your best protector, any open wounds, scratches, lesions or rashes, represent a danger if hand gel sanitisers are used. Putting anti biotic agents and unknown chemicals on your skin only destroys as much of the good bacteria and natural protections like oil and natural good biological protection in your skin. Anti biological agents not washed off and removed as soon as possible, enables the pathological elements a chance to develop resistance to anti biotics and enter into your body. ask anyone who uses hand gel sanitisers too much and then washes their hands with soap and water several times a day. Does their skin feel sore and looks reddened? That is the result of too much caustic agents on the skin, and renders your skin actually more susceptible to further infection, not less. one of the best anti viral treatments in sunshine, the UV radiation kills virus’ on contact and promote vitamin D which is your bodies best protection fro disease. Look it up yourself.”

      Once again i did not say that anti bacterial agents kill virus’. Again that is your desperate misrepresentation and misinformation. Fake news is clearly your specialty, not mine.

      “Anti biotics are something we are all warned about these days. So you should check the contents very thoroughly before using them. If in doubt, then wash your hands with soap and water immediately afterwards. Over use of hand gel sanitisers, more than say four times a day, can lead to cracked dry skin and let in more bugs and is in fact counter productive for any reliable method of hand cleansing. The best and really the only reliable method is to wash with soap and water and apply natural oil or natural moisturiser afterwards and then used sparingly to prevent the same skin deterioration effects.”

      Again, i said nothing about anti biotics killing virus’. Again that is your desperate fabrication, disinformation, misinformation and fake news conspiracy theories that tries to unsuccessfully smear. (a bit like hand gel sanitiser)

      No Martin, you are very wrong. Hand gel sanitisers DO NOT wash bacteria or virus or anything else from hands!!

      Hand gel sanitiser is not a wash, it dries on the hands. Its a short term treatment with anti viral and anti bacterial agents and often unspecified chemicals. Usually with aloe vera or other moisturiser, but not always. But again it can kill the beneficial bacteria and strip natural oils from the skin too, and can damage the skin if overused.

      The use of hand gel sanitiser DOES NOT WASH VIRAL AND BACTERIAL AGENTS FROM HANDS!!

      Only washing correctly with water and soap will do that.

      WHAT YOU SAY IS TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE! So happy to return that to you in your own shouted own capital letters.

      You see, its so easy to scream and shout as you do all the time isnt it. But i would rather not have to.

      You are clearly desperate to misdirect and misrepresent the truth of anything i say. No change there. Also, you dont say what is the actual anti virus agent at all. Usually 90% alcohol in its medically pure form, often isopropyl alcohol or ethyl alcohol in its purest medical form. That can also dry out the skin and strip natural oils and beneficial bacteria. So it must be used sparingly. The best anti viral agent is to wash thoroughly with soap and water as the NHS and Public Health England clearly states.

      Hand sanitizer or hand washing: which is better against coronavirus?
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/28/hand-sanitiser-or-hand-washing-which-more-effective-against-coronavirus-covid-19

      So everything i said was factually correct. And your typically desperate attempt at misrepresentation of that only serves to discredit your post entirely.

      No Martin, your post of 09.26 is not factually correct, its full of obsessive fixations and is the usual fake news fabrication out of some knee jerk reaction to boost your own ego rather than tell the truth.

      All women are essential workers, but some apparently prefer misogynistic insulting generalisations to attempt to discredit anyone at all.

      “So, if you wish to believe fake news, fake science and conspiracy theories then Martin Collyer is your man. It is churned out as “fake news” and when it is shown to be incorrect, then there is simply a deflection attempt, but the written word remains. I am sure current curriculums show that as a pattern, so the educated children will carry on learning. Others may be excited to burn masts?”

      Again that odd fixation with masts? Nothing was said about that was there? Again your own imagination blurs everything you say into foggy obsessions? Quite bizarre!

      However my post of 12.54 pm, is factually correct. Nothing fake there. Only those who wish to divert and misrepresent have anything to fear. Some apparently may not like some of the content and wish to misrepresent, misinform and desperately deflect away from it. We see a lot of that.

      How? Well that personage clearly seeks to twist and fabricate and deploy wild unsubstantiated misrepresentation and disinformation in an attempt to make fake news. That is proven fake science regarding viruses and bacteria as i pointed out above. So what we see from someone who stated “that he believes that the sun is fossil fueled” seems to pervade everything that person says. From someone who believes “people live on planet B, C, D, E or Z. And clearly stated he wants to wipe out 7.5 billion people in some death cult wish”.

      State one thing and do the opposite and hope no one will notice indeed Martin.

      But we all do notice dont we. And we can look back at past posts to confirm just that for ourselves.

      Again Martin, you only reap what you sow.

      Maybe if you could ever force yourself to discuss any subject objectively and not descend into those wild and desperate obsessive subjective fixated rants that discredit everything you say. I would not need to point out all those factual errors you make and all those fake news disinformation and misrepresentations you so demonstrably specialize in.

      Then i would not need to discredit wahat you say in such great detail would i. It doesnt get the subject anywhere, it merely serves to waste everyones time and space, which is what i said about UFOG before you descended the entire subject into fantasy and fake news.

      Do try to post objectively for once Martin, these ridiculous ranting rabid tirades of yours do you no credit at all you know.

      Have a nice Sunday.

  4. Oh dear.

    You even get confused regarding your audience!

    No, I do not get hot under the collar, panic or get excited, or rant. There is the audience you try to excite, but it does not include me, Phil C.

    Hand sanitisers are indeed different to washing with soap and water. Quite straight forward. No excitement, no confusion. And STILL quite different to antibiotics that are used to treat bacterial infections.

    If you had acquired a severe virus and coughed so much at the top of the stairs you fell down, broke your leg and finally needed treatment against gangrene then antibiotics could be quite useful. But, sorry, the virus would remain untroubled.

    “All women are essential workers”. Really? Who on earth do you think that sort of nonsense appeals to? It is the sort of lame, patronising, attempt to produce homogenous groups that, in the main, have no desire to be homogenous. What about some who are/were locked up in prisons having committed unspeakable crimes? Mrs. West? “Essential” they make mail bags? Well, most don’t.

    If you want to quote me, and I can see the desire to, get the quote correct: I think I was referring to hand washing not the use of hand sanitisers.

    There is a certain Syndrome that comes to mind, defined as follows:

    “People use fantasy to escape from their normal lives. They believe that their lives are humdrum and boring, never realizing what an enormous gift it is to be alive at all.”

    Walter gave the game away, as well.

    Oh, and by the way, you also seem confused between UKOG and Stobarts. Here’s a helpful hint, one has plenty of vehicles, the other doesn’t.

    “There is simply a deflection attempt” someone wrote. Predicted, and, gee, was it a big one! But somehow lacking in that “precise unambiguous language”, and thereby not achieving it’s purpose.

    Wifey has decided this is the week to start Spring cleaning, so off to find my Marigolds, and demonstrate my sharing/caring side. 50million expensive nematodes released to do their bit, and watered in, sunshine returning so carpet and curtain cleaning day. It is an enormous gift to be alive at all. Enjoy it-and wash your hands.

    • Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear Martin,

      What planet are you on now Martin? One of those planets B to Z, orbiting around that fictional fossil fueled sun that over heats that fevered imagination of yours?

      Still populated by Red Dieselosaurus and Hydrogenosaurus? Oh dear? Or are they all extinct, or never even existed in the first place?

      And how are those 7.5 billion people on Earth you say you want to exterminate?

      If you will try to make up all these fictional imaginary rubbish deceptions, then you must expect them to be disproved musnt you. They only exist in your fictional imagination.

      Meanwhile, the rest of us live in the real world. Better not to contaminate the real world with all those obsessive fictional fixations. It does you no credit at all.

      “There is a certain Syndrome that comes to mind, defined as follows:

      “People use fantasy to escape from their normal lives. They believe that their lives are humdrum and boring, never realizing what an enormous gift it is to be alive at all.”

      Walter gave the game away, as well.”

      Well that defines the content of your own posts very well Martin doesnt it? you always manage to betray yourself with your own words dont you.

      Yes Martin, your posts are indeed typically hot under the Collyer, full of desperation, misinformation, misrepresentation, disinformation, fake news, total fantasy, (see above), conspiracy theories, panic and overexcited rants.

      The audience you try to excite however, is merely your own. But it does not include me, or anyone else for that matter.

      And still desperately spouting attempted porkie pies about hand gel sanitisers virus and bacteria i see?

      Oops!

      Sorry old thing, all of that attempted smear of misrepresentation and disinformation from you was totally and utterly proved to be nothing more than your own porky pies, nothing i said. No change there.

      You say “If you want to quote me, and I can see the desire to, get the quote correct: I think I was referring to hand washing not the use of hand sanitisers.”

      No Martin, i was very clearly correcting you about the use of hand sanitisers that you promoted ineos for. It was you who suddenly recanted and avoided that. And then attempted to make yet another complete fabrication about virus and bacteria.

      I merely corrected you on the subject and reflected your own shouted words back to you. Nothing to get “excited” about.

      Sorry old thing, you paddled far too far up that fictional imaginary creek without a paddle again.

      So, no go there as usual.

      Mrs West? What on Earth (this one) are you talking about? Do you mean Rose West, the wife of serial killer Fred West????? Another of your bizarre little fixations is it? Where the hell does your mind dwell to even consider such a remark against women?

      Perhaps you would prefer the long deceased Fred West?

      Normally i would say everyone to their own. But that is a truly horrible thing to say Martin, even for you. You really dont like women at all do you?

      If anyone wishes to see where all that woman hatred and misogyny comes from. You only need to look at that remark from Martin right there ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. But best you do’nt look too closely, its not a pretty sight…..

      No wonder your posts are so full of angry rabid misogynistic disparaging remarks against women if you consider comparing anyone to such horrors as those there?

      Thats it, i no longer wish to have any contact with you Martin. None whatsoever.

      Driil or Drop can keep you. I want nothing to do with you.

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